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Re: Get your fluking in
This right here it was I'm talking about. Capt. Dan and countless other great fisherman are crushing it while regular rec guys are struggling.
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Re: Get your fluking in
We have that here as well. Certain fisheries basically in collapse, but a guide here or there that still catches fish and says the fishing is good IF you know when where, and how to catch the remnant... I have never thought that sort of scenario was an indicator of a good fishery.. Even when the Cod fishery in Canada and the Gulf of Maine was in a state of total collapse, and the stock was deemed "commercially extinct" there were still guys screaming about the closure and wanting to catch whatever was left, because they knew how to and where to catch them.. Human nature and all.. There are a lot of fishermen that would be all too happy to catch the last summer flounder in existence in the NY Bight if they could.... bob
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Re: Get your fluking in
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This is September. The month for years fish schooled up over wide areas with more fish pouring out of the bays everyday. Best fishing month of the year bar none. Now it's sharpies who can find and work small patches in the hope of landing 3 keepers! What does that say about where this fishery is at? I know I'm considered a wet blanket here. But I went further with NMFS, ASMFC and MAFMC trying to draw attention to these problems more than anyone else ever has. And with zero support from ASA or any of the more well known recreational fishing organizations. The only person who helped educating and guiding me concerning the process was Dave Daly (Dales529). I post what I do because we're losing this fishery just as many others have been lost. This one because of it's importance will more than sting. The consequences will reverberate throughout the recreational and commercial sectors and shore communities and small businesses will take it on the chin. Imagine a summer without fluke fishing, it can happen no different than a spring without winter flounder and the consequences that caused shore communities and small businesses let alone the recreational sector. This'll be my final comment on the subject. You can't win if you don't fight and the recreational sector has become so accustomed to losing it's become our mantra. Fishery is in trouble and year in year out management does nothing and all we do is sit around talking about having the highest size minimums and most extended seasons, neither of which will help the sector or health of the stock. It'll actually hurt both. Last edited by Broad Bill; 09-12-2024 at 11:52 AM.. |
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Re: Get your fluking in
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Same with commercials.. They know where the remnants are, when and how to catch them until there are totally gone... Just because a few pros are catching, does not indicate a good population by any means... bob |
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Re: Get your fluking in
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Guys are lazy and give up now as soon as they don’t catch in an hour . It’s def not the fishing we had ten years ago when our same group would be throwing back 5 pounders by 8 am on a tourney day . The quality of the fish also isn’t close poundage wise . Yet I honestly have never caught so many short 13-16” fish than we did this season . Seems to be a very large body of those age class fish . But IMO recreational fisherman throwing back anything that the commercial guys can then reap is never going to help the fishery . IMO if we even didn’t fish an entire season , they would just catch more . And since recreational fisherman REFUSE to do anything to help their cause , unless something else stops other states commercial fisherman from raping the resource . It’s def going to be another fishery destroyed . What I don’t understand is why local commercial fisherman are allowing it to happen . .
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Re: Get your fluking in
Capt Dan.. you always post well thought out and very reasonable replies.. You are in the business, have "skin in the game", yet don't BS about how great the stock is, there are plenty of fish around, guys just aren't keeping up with modern techniques etc.. Thats always appreciated.
In my uneducated opinion, a lot of small fish around is a great indicator.. It means that the fish are reproducing well and surviving, and there is a cause for optimism that the future may be better than the present for the fishery... However, a lot is contingent on letting these smaller fish get old and large enough to become big breeders... A lot of them will not make it long enough to even reach 18 inches.. Mopped up before they get to their wintering grounds, or shortly thereafter.... bob |
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Re: Get your fluking in
Keep in mind, right or wrong, science assigns a 25% annual mortality rate to every age class. Combined with the level of commercial discard mortality when these fish are headed offshore and staging offshore in the winter, 75% of the body of smaller fish you mention will be dead in two years. Now add in the stock being pounded every year between September to November by a more efficient commercial fleet, that optimism will disappear. Under those circumstances older age classes will take a decade to rebuild once changes to the regulations are put in place before recruitment levels are restored and the gender / age imbalances created in this stock by the regulation are corrected.
Last edited by Broad Bill; 09-12-2024 at 03:20 PM.. |
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