What Scientific Authorities Have to Say About Whale Mortalities

[Ol Pedro]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

The worsening effects of climate change are in the news every day, but seismic testing is apparently only a problem in one industry where it's used peripherally. Go figure...
Seismic & Sonar Testing
https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/ocean...sonar-testing/

I'm back! I looked at the Greenpeace article and it goes against your stance. They say it's hurting animals and displacing them. This thread should be locked. You just try and deflect/misdirected rather than answer questions.

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by Ol Pedro

I'm back! I looked at the Greenpeace article and it goes against your stance. They say it's hurting animals and displacing them. This thread should be locked. You just try and deflect/misdirected rather than answer questions.

Welcome back, Young Pedro. Thx for making my point.

[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

Good point; offshore wind turbines have nothing to do with offshore fishing, and the less we know about them, the better.

Point was politics has nothing to do with fishing reports and maybe the sooner you stop being a wise ass d-bag the sooner the site can get back to posting useful fishing reports.

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by Broad Bill

Point was politics has nothing to do with fishing reports and maybe the sooner you stop being a wise ass d-bag the sooner the site can get back to posting useful fishing reports.

No one's stopping you or anyone else from posting & reading fishing reports, BB. Point is people who can't or won't discuss this on its merits try to politicize it.

[Ol Pedro]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

Welcome back, Young Pedro. Thx for making my point.

And your point is that Greenpeace states that seismic/sonar does hurt/displace animals?

[pectoralfin]

After reading all of the above, I have decided to post my own scientific findings.

SONAR BLASTING WHALES DIE. NO SONAR BLASTING NO REPORTED WHALE DEATHS.

The end

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by Ol Pedro

And your point is that Greenpeace states that seismic/sonar does hurt/displace animals?

Take another(?) look at the article that has you so confused, Young Pedro...

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/ocean...sonar-testing/

Seismic & Sonar Testing


While whales and other marine life are threatened by international whaling and habitat loss, they also face a domestic threat. Navy sonar testing and seismic testing from the oil and gas industry regularly take place in areas where marine species thrive. Find out more about the impacts and what you can do to help.


Seismic Testing


According to government estimates, 138,500 whales and dolphins will soon be injured and possibly killed along the east coast of the U.S. if exploration companies are allowed to use dangerous blasts of noise to search for offshore oil and gas.

And geophysical companies — working on behalf of oil and gas corporations — are seeking permission from the government to use seismic airguns to search for offshore oil and gas in the Atlantic Ocean.

These airguns use loud blasts on a recurring basis, going off every ten seconds, for 24 hours a day, often for weeks on end. They are so loud that they penetrate through the ocean and miles into the seafloor, then bounce back, bringing information to the surface about the location of buried oil and gas deposits.

Airgun blasts harm whales, dolphins, sea turtles, and fish. The types of impacts marine mammals may endure include temporary and permanent hearing loss, abandonment of habitat, disruption of mating and feeding, beach strandings, and even death. Seismic airguns could devastate marine life, harming fisheries and coastal economies along the Atlantic coast.


Sonar Testing


Along the entire east coast as well as in Hawaii, Southern California, and the Gulf of Mexico, the Navy plans to test sonar and explosive devices so deafening they cause whales to abandon their normal feeding grounds and migration patterns. The Navy’s own report states that more than 40 marine mammal species will be impacted, including the endangered humpback whale and the blue whale.

For marine mammals caught closer to the training exercises, the pain they would suffer would be immense. The powerful sonar blasts will destroy their hearing and even cause their brains to hemorrhage. Naval sonar has already led to mass whale strandings, as disoriented whales attempt to escape the noise.

The National Marine Fisheries Service is responsible for the protection of these marine mammals, but instead of tossing out the Navy’s training plan, it gave the Navy the green light.

We’re continuing to document and bear witness to these issues. Join the movement to protect ocean life if you want to get involved!

[Ol Pedro]

BS, I 'm not confused. You still didn't answer. When was the last time that you went fishing? You need to get out more.

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by pectoralfin

After reading all of the above, I have decided to post my own scientific findings.
SONAR BLASTING WHALES DIE. NO SONAR BLASTING NO REPORTED WHALE DEATHS.
The end

Your scientific findings only tell part of the story, pf...

Whale deaths exploited in 'cynical disinformation' campaign against offshore wind power, advocates say

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...s/11178432002/

Efforts to stop wind turbines off the Atlantic coast have a new mascot: the whale.

A dozen New Jersey beach town mayors and several other groups now argue offshore wind power activity could be the cause of recent whale deaths and wind projects must be stopped while scientists investigate.

But those most vocal about their concern have been silent in recent years as whale strandings surged along the East Coast. Wind energy supporters and whale advocates say these groups and politicians appear to be using whales as pawns.

A Jan. 30 letter signed by 12 New Jersey mayors and a congressman, Chris Smith, R-N.J., called for a moratorium on all offshore wind activity. Conservation advocates say the letter spreads speculation when scientists aren't convinced whale deaths and offshore wind development are connected – and there's good reason to believe they are not.Whales and wind emerged in the headlines in January after a news conference Jan. 9 by two groups, Clean Ocean Action and Protect Our Coast New Jersey. They blamed the "unprecedented" discovery of six dead whales along New Jersey and New York coasts on early-stage geotechnical surveys mapping the sea floor for wind farms.

They advanced a festering concern that sound beams used in such surveys could harm whales. Conservation groups and the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management generally believe that's nonsense, in part because the type of sound used for wind turbine placement is much weaker than the stronger signals regularly used for other purposes such as oil and gas exploration.
Then the mayors' letter made national news with its call for a moratorium on all offshore wind activity until federal and state agencies determine there's no connection to a series of whale deaths.
The cause has also been taken up by Fox News personality Tucker Carlson, who has aired a series of segments in which he called wind turbines DDT for whales.
Longtime whale advocacy groups aren't buying it.

“It’s just a cynical disinformation campaign,” said Greenpeace oceans director John Hocevar. “It doesn’t seem to worry them that it’s not based in any kind of evidence.”

Scientists who study whale strandings say there’s no known link between wind turbines and whale deaths, although they continue to investigate what role, if any, wind development has in whale deaths.

So far, evidence for a link is little more than speculation. Experts point to the United Kingdom, which has 2,652 offshore wind turbines and where experts say autopsies have not found a connection between dead whales on their shores and the turbines off them.

Gib Brogan, a campaign director with Oceana, an international ocean advocacy group, said those opposed to wind power are using a spate of whale deaths in the area as an opportunity.

"It seems that the connection between the whale strandings and wind activities is a convenient line of opposition to development of offshore wind in the mid-Atlantic," he said.

Some New Jersey politicians opposed offshore wind power before whale death concerns

Of the 12 mayors who signed the letter, nine are Republican and one is a Democrat. In two towns, elections by law are nonpartisan. All represent small Jersey Shore beach towns.

A USA TODAY review of public statements found at least two of the mayors had spoken critically of offshore wind, a key part of the nation's renewable energy plan with a goal of producing enough electricity to power 10 million homes by decade's end.

“We’ve been 100% against this project from Day One,” Joe Mancini, mayor of Long Beach Township, said of the several wind farms in the proposal and research stage off the New Jersey shore.

Mancini's concerns are numerous: He says the proposed wind farms will destroy fishing and hurt tourism. The turbines are unsightly and the energy they produce is too expensive, he claims. "I don’t care how far out they put them," he said.

Instead, he supports nuclear power as the solution to creating carbon-neutral energy.

In the borough of Deal, Mayor Sam Cohen signed the letter, but when contacted by USA TODAY, he expressed concern over possible dangers to birds. "I have no idea how these wind turbines affect whales, but I would be interested to see a study on how these turbines affect fish and wildlife," he told USA TODAY.

Don Cabrera, a signer and mayor of the borough of Wildwood Crest, said he’s opposed to “tampering with our ecosystem and ocean floor and possibly harming marine and other life.” He believes sustainable energy should come from land-based wind turbines and solar farms.

He’s also not convinced the turbines, which he says would harm his town, won’t be visible from land.

New Jersey mayors have history of silence on whale deaths

Rep. Smith, who has supported wind power, introduced a bill in 2019 to ban the use of seismic air guns, primarily by oil and gas companies. The measure aims to protect the endangered North Atlantic right whale and other marine life. He has also supported a ban on offshore oil drilling.

But a USA TODAY review of news coverage of the mayors found no history of public concern for whale deaths, despite high rates of strandings dating back to 2017.

That year, 78 whales died along the Atlantic coast of the U.S. and Canada and 59 in 2018, 2019 and 2020, NOAA data shows.

“I don’t know what to make of it that these people and these organizations that have not had a long-standing interest in whale conservation are becoming vocal opponents of offshore wind using whales as their vehicle,” Brogan said.

"Groups opposed to clean energy projects spread baseless misinformation that has been debunked by scientists and experts," said JC Sandberg, chief advocacy officer with the American Clean Power Association, a renewable energy trade group.

“We have always worked alongside the environmental community to protect marine life and follow rigorous standards when developing projects. The recent whale strandings are tragic, but there is no evidence that these incidents have anything to do with offshore wind activity."
The dispute has made for strange bedfellows.

The Jan. 9 news conference featured Clean Action Ocean, a 39-year-old group founded to fight beach dumping, as well as Protect Our Coast New Jersey. Founded in 2021, that group’s money is managed by the Caesar Rodney Institute, which has received funding from the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers.

Conservative organizations or oil and gas interests appear to be using whales as pawns in efforts to undermine offshore wind projects, said Leah Stokes, a professor of political science at the University of Santa Barbara.

The tactic has been used to fight the land-based wind installations, the Inflation Reduction Act and now offshore wind power, said Stokes, whose book “Short Circuiting Policy: Interest Groups and the Battle Over Clean Energy and Climate Policy in the American States” researched anti-wind-power networks.

“They’re taking those legitimate environmental concerns and trying to manipulate the conversation by using topics that matter to the environmental movement,” she said.

The same tactic is used when those opposed to wind energy focused on bird deaths, which isn’t their actual concern, she said.

“Folks may have other reasons they don’t like turbines, such as home prices or their own financial interests, but they’ll mask it in arguing it’s about protecting bird species,” she said.

Whale deaths a problem, but no evidence connects them to wind, experts say

The East Coast is in the midst of a seven-year whale die-off that caused the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to declare an Unusual Mortality Event – an in-depth scientific investigation – for humpbacks in 2016. Two other unusual mortality investigations for whales began in 2017, one for minke whales and one for North Atlantic right whales.

Since Dec. 1, seven dead humpback whales and one sperm whale have been seen along the New Jersey shore, and eight other humpbacks and two North Atlantic right whales washed up along the coast between New York and North Carolina.

Both a humpback that washed ashore in Manasquan, New Jersey on Monday and a right whale found dead on Virginia Beach on Sunday showed internal evidence of vessel strikes, NOAA said. At least three of the January whale deaths have been attributed to vessel strikes.

It's not clear this is an outsized number compared with past years.

“It is too soon to speculate about this year being higher than any others,” said NOAA spokeswoman Allison Ferreira.

Greenpeace's Hocevar isn't concerned.

“There’s no evidence that we’ve seen implicating wind turbines and the deaths of whales on the East Coast," he said.

So far, the United States has only two in operation, with a total of just seven turbines. Another two are in the construction stage, one off New York and one off Massachusetts.

Longer-term, 10 projects are in the environmental review process, meaning it will be years before construction can begin.

“While the climate deniers and the right-wing pundits are tilting at windmills," Hocevar said, "most of us are focused on the real threats to whales *– climate change, entanglement with fishing gear, ship strikes and plastic pollution.”

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by Ol Pedro

BS, I 'm not confused. You still didn't answer. When was the last time that you went fishing? You need to get out more.

You're only seeing what you want to see, young fella