What Scientific Authorities Have to Say About Whale Mortalities

[NoLimit]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

So OSW is THE ONLY industry that needs ITAs, IHAs, etc. from NOAA, Gumster?

How do you possibly compare the concept of insurance with the license to kill whales? And then the audacity to blame it on recreational boats

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by NoLimit

How do you possibly compare the concept of insurance with the license to kill whales? And then the audacity to blame it on recreational boats

Q: why do they need a “take” authorization if they aren’t harming cetaceans ?
rpt: Why do you need auto insurance if you're not causing any accidents, Gummy? What other industries need ITAs, IHAs, etc. from NOAA?

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

I have been an electrician for 40 plus years .
Built a lot of power plants. , co gens , solar farms etc .

Wind energy is the MOST expensive to produce , the least reliable .
And when built in the ocean the wind turbines haven’t made it 5 years . Many only making it 2-3 years before failure .
Offshore winds are too strong way too often and add to wear quickly .

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Really want the most efficient power it’s Nuclear .
But God forbid we talk about that .

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The artical you posted shows 40% probably vessel hits , yet no real accounting for the other 60%
Ever think the 40 % ran into a vessel because it was disoriented from the soundings .

Too much money is involved in the offshore wind farms to get any real data about how harmful they are .

Takes more petroleum to build and manufacture them than they will admit also .

Kind of like the vegans against eating meat , while wearing a leather jacket and leather shoes .

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So you've been an electrician for 40 plus years, worked on various power plant projects, and somehow know that wind energy isn't cost-effective? ~40% of cetacean deaths have been linked to vessel hits, the causes of the other ~60% are undocumented, so they must be the result of OSW, but too much money is involved in offshore wind farms, so we can't find out how harmful they are? I was wondering how any of this argues against investing in offshore wind energy, but "they" won't even tell us how much petroleum it takes to build them...
Get used to clean, renewable energy, Captain.

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by captbogan

Compared to the fact that it takes a lot of petroleum to make just one of those huge blades, BS. And from what I've read, the longevity of those turbines is relatively short lived. From the docs I've read, they are supposed to last 20 years but are only making it 11 or 10 or barely 8 years.

I am curious, BS. Do you own an electric car and fish on electric boats?

I make no apologies for my tier 4 -four engines. I really like them. They run cleaner and more effeciently than the 2 in my old boat. However, if somone proved to me that I could repower my boat with electric turbines and save money, I would be interested. As I mentioned, in the beginning, I was open-minded about the wind farms but the more I learn, the less I like them.

No one asked you to apologize for your engines, Captain Bob, just to apply the same efficiency standards to them that you do to wind turbines. Clean renewable energy isn't going to replace fossil fuels entirely, but it's reducing our dependence on petroleum and the resultant climate effects we're now experiencing.
Most of us are consumers of energy, not producers, so let the wind power industry and the marketplace worry about the longevity of turbines.

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by NoLimit

We know what onshore gas and oil drilling does....nothing. Not a single living thing has been harmed by fracking fluid. Yet that myth was used to shut down a low cost energy source that requires no subsidies

Fracking Fluid Provides Many Benefits, Poses Many Dangers
https://www.hazardouswasteexperts.co...-many-dangers/

Ten years later, BP oil spill continues to harm wildlife—especially dolphins
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/a...pwater-horizon

[NoLimit]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

So you've been an electrician for 40 plus years, worked on various power plant projects, and somehow know that wind energy isn't cost-effective? ~40% of cetacean deaths have been linked to vessel hits, the causes of the other ~60% are undocumented, so they must be the result of OSW, but too much money is involved in offshore wind farms, so we can't find out how harmful they are? I was wondering how any of this argues against investing in offshore wind energy, but "they" won't even tell us how much petroleum it takes to build them...
Get used to clean, renewable energy, Captain.

Show us one current picture of one whale with prop marks on its back. There are none, only this BS about blunt force wounds to the head.

[bbfisherman]

Simple question blind squirrel. Show us a reputable scientific article that states for a fact that sonar blasting cannot cause harm to marine life.

[NoLimit]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

Fracking Fluid Provides Many Benefits, Poses Many Dangers
https://www.hazardouswasteexperts.co...-many-dangers/

Ten years later, BP oil spill continues to harm wildlife—especially dolphins
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/a...pwater-horizon

Got biased sources? Fracking fluid is 99.9% water and sand and you can literally drink it with no harm. https://financialpost.com/commoditie...fracking-fluid

[NoLimit]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

Q: why do they need a “take” authorization if they aren’t harming cetaceans ?
rpt: Why do you need auto insurance if you're not causing any accidents, Gummy? What other industries need ITAs, IHAs, etc. from NOAA?

We see that you ignored the question. How do you compare a License to Kill rare whales with the concept of insurance? The answer is that you cant.

[NoLimit]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

Fracking Fluid Provides Many Benefits, Poses Many Dangers
https://www.hazardouswasteexperts.co...-many-dangers/

Ten years later, BP oil spill continues to harm wildlife—especially dolphins
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/a...pwater-horizon

So you have to go back 15 years to find a picture of a pelican from an oil spill? What about the 35 million critters killed every year by windmills including whales. Plus windmills are not efficient. They are taxpayer subsidized because they cant compete with modern cogen power plants that run on clean and green natural gas. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...-birds/672877/