Another dead whale today …..

[Ol Pedro]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

Research the ROI of one of those wind turbines! Government tax credits for new construction expire after 10 years, while fossil fuel subsidies continue indefinitely.

B.S.,on year 11 they will shut them down or lobby for more free money. If there is no profit then there is no green energy.
Why build them if they can't generate all the time when the winds blowing? (design flaw?) What about all the bird life that will be clubbed out of the sky?
Why not put them on land? If they are so important then why not put them where they can be maintained easily? Wouldn't it be cheaper to build? I guess that people don't think they are pretty so put them out of sight.(not in my back yard)
We have electric cars that catch fire that we can't put out, windmill farms that kill wildlife, and toxic solar farms. Why build more if we don't find solutions for the existing problems?
I don't think that green energy is so green. I'm just an old man ranting on a cold winter day.

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by Ol Pedro

B.S.,on year 11 they will shut them down or lobby for more free money. If there is no profit then there is no green energy.
Why build them if they can't generate all the time when the winds blowing? (design flaw?) What about all the bird life that will be clubbed out of the sky?
Why not put them on land? If they are so important then why not put them where they can be maintained easily? Wouldn't it be cheaper to build? I guess that people don't think they are pretty so put them out of sight.(not in my back yard)
We have electric cars that catch fire that we can't put out, windmill farms that kill wildlife, and toxic solar farms. Why build more if we don't find solutions for the existing problems?
I don't think that green energy is so green. I'm just an old man ranting on a cold winter day.

If there's no profit, then there's no any kind of large-scale energy production. There's generally more wind in offshore locations, which have fewer other uses and less commercial value than land-based sites.
Wind turbines obviously don't generate electricity when the wind's not blowing, and that's hardly an argument against installing them. You're essentially saying that anything less than a perfect replacement or addition to dirtier forms of energy production is unnecessary.
I don't think fossil fuels are so green either. I'm (probably) just an older man than you ranting on a cold winter day, my friend.

[Ol Pedro]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

If there's no profit, then there's no any kind of large-scale energy production. There's generally more wind in offshore locations, which have fewer other uses and less commercial value than land-based sites.
Wind turbines obviously don't generate electricity when the wind's not blowing, and that's hardly an argument against installing them. You're essentially saying that anything less than a perfect replacement or addition to dirtier forms of energy production is unnecessary.
I don't think fossil fuels are so green either. I'm (probably) just an older man than you ranting on a cold winter day, my friend.

B.S., Were you born before 1955? Lesser of 2 evils just as evil? What about natural gas or hydroelectric? Can the turbines generate power at over 10 kt winds? Still old and cold my friend.

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by Ol Pedro

B.S., Were you born before 1955? Lesser of 2 evils just as evil? What about natural gas or hydroelectric? Can the turbines generate power at over 10 kt winds? Still old and cold my friend.

I was born in 1943, which I'm pretty sure was before 1955. What about natural gas or hydroelectric? Gas is a non-renewable pollutant, and hydroelectric works great when climate change hasn't dried up the water supply.
Wind turbines add green energy to power grids from a wind speed of 6-9 mph to a wind speed of ~55 mph, and their systems store the power when output exceeds demand.
Stay warm, my young friend.

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

I was born in 1943, which I'm pretty sure was before 1955. What about natural gas or hydroelectric? Gas is a non-renewable pollutant, and hydroelectric works great when climate change hasn't dried up the water supply.
Wind turbines add green energy to power grids from a wind speed of 6-9 mph to a wind speed of ~55 mph, and their systems store the power when output exceeds demand.
Stay warm, my young friend.

You’re reading articles that try and make this energy sound more efficient than it is .
The wind turbine electricity starts to stack at 10 knots . MOST current transmission lines won’t allow the electricity to flow correctly above that .
Our current grids dont have the capacity or the upgrades needed to store the power . So they are pretty much an in use supplier .
All the current projects here in the US haven’t made it 5 years let alone 25 years .

It’s not only the sources of power that need to get better , it’s the grid itself .
All the rebuilds were just that . Rebuild for what’s needed today , not enough of what’s needed in the future .
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While it all seems good on paper , real life it hasn’t been even close to being perfected .
. And while they throw out numbers of mega watts created etc it’s not even close to what’s being used here daily .
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[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

You’re reading articles that try and make this energy sound more efficient than it is .
The wind turbine electricity starts to stack at 10 knots . MOST current transmission lines won’t allow the electricity to flow correctly above that .
Our current grids dont have the capacity or the upgrades needed to store the power . So they are pretty much an in use supplier .
All the current projects here in the US haven’t made it 5 years let alone 25 years .

It’s not only the sources of power that need to get better , it’s the grid itself .
All the rebuilds were just that . Rebuild for what’s needed today , not enough of what’s needed in the future .
.
While it all seems good on paper , real life it hasn’t been even close to being perfected .
. And while they throw out numbers of mega watts created etc it’s not even close to what’s being used here daily .
.

Electricity either flows or it doesn't, and transmission lines are conductors. Generators work the same way regardless of what's driving them, and if our current grids have insufficient storage capacity, we add it. Wind is cheap, clean, & abundant, and has been used to generate electricity since the late-19th Century. It doesn't meet current demand, but is our largest source of renewable energy.
If you're reading articles that make wind power sound less efficient & practical than it is, they're most likely coming from the fossil fuel industry.
DOE Finds Record Production and Job Growth in U.S. Wind Power Sector August 16, 2022