2023 Fluke Regs Finalized

[Angler Paul]

2023 FLUKE REGS FINALIZED! Much to the dismay of the majority of fluke fishermen in our state, we are being forced by ASMFC/MAFMC to have the exact same fluke regs as last year. This includes the season, bag and size limits. There is nothing at all our state can do about it. The NJBMF was all set to consider other options but they cannot do it. Please do not blame them. This applies to all states, it's not just New Jersey.
Paul Haertel, JCAA Past President

[hammer4reel]

Nothing should be final without the whole process being met .
Given regs with no options is a total collapse of the procedure.

Slot regs sucked for way more anglers trips than it improved .

Reason we got these bullshit regs in the first place was a few council members decided what was best for them selves last year.

Also hearing those same individuals didn’t want the surveys from FG to be used in the process as their findings didn’t align with keeping the slot .
I believe over 70% sending responses back were moot in favor of the slot .
So IMO stating the councils hands were tied may not be accurate .
Waiting to see how PD felt this actually went through again as I believe he wasn’t in favor of any of last years changes .

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[pddmd]

So
The New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council Fluke committee met to discuss possibilities for 2023. It is accurate to say that our hands are tied, but they are bound not by the state but by the new Harvest Measures method. The Mid Atlantic Council and ASMFC have chosen this method to "soften" the changes that occur each season. That being said, they developed a model that was only approved recently, and there is not enough time to apply it for 2023. We were supposed to have a 10% increase, then data showed a 10% decrease needed. The Council/ASMFC decided status quo for 2023.
I am obviously disappointed in this approach. 2022 was hijacked but we have always had the chance to come back to the table. We have been told that this is a one time thing, and that next year will be back in our hands.
I'm furious that there is no public input on this. I'm angry that they treat us with a "No catch reduction so you should be happy" attitude. I had made a motion that the March meeting of our Council be moved to a larger venue in Central NJ to get better statewide input but that is not pertinent now.
obviously I will do my best to keep the NJF group apprised of any upcoming issues

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by pddmd

So
The New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council Fluke committee met to discuss possibilities for 2023. It is accurate to say that our hands are tied, but they are bound not by the state but by the new Harvest Measures method. The Mid Atlantic Council and ASMFC have chosen this method to "soften" the changes that occur each season. That being said, they developed a model that was only approved recently, and there is not enough time to apply it for 2023. We were supposed to have a 10% increase, then data showed a 10% decrease needed. The Council/ASMFC decided status quo for 2023.
I am obviously disappointed in this approach. 2022 was hijacked but we have always had the chance to come back to the table. We have been told that this is a one time thing, and that next year will be back in our hands.
I'm furious that there is no public input on this. I'm angry that they treat us with a "No catch reduction so you should be happy" attitude. I had made a motion that the March meeting of our Council be moved to a larger venue in Central NJ to get better statewide input but that is not pertinent now.
obviously I will do my best to keep the NJF group apprised of any upcoming issues

Thanks for the input Pat .

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by pddmd

So
The New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council Fluke committee met to discuss possibilities for 2023. It is accurate to say that our hands are tied, but they are bound not by the state but by the new Harvest Measures method. The Mid Atlantic Council and ASMFC have chosen this method to "soften" the changes that occur each season. That being said, they developed a model that was only approved recently, and there is not enough time to apply it for 2023. We were supposed to have a 10% increase, then data showed a 10% decrease needed. The Council/ASMFC decided status quo for 2023.
I am obviously disappointed in this approach. 2022 was hijacked but we have always had the chance to come back to the table. We have been told that this is a one time thing, and that next year will be back in our hands.
I'm furious that there is no public input on this. I'm angry that they treat us with a "No catch reduction so you should be happy" attitude. I had made a motion that the March meeting of our Council be moved to a larger venue in Central NJ to get better statewide input but that is not pertinent now.
obviously I will do my best to keep the NJF group apprised of any upcoming issues

Thanks Pat

[tautog]

When the government makes decisions on what they think is the best available science, expect the average person to get screwed. Vote for clowns over and over, and you get a big circus.

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by tautog

When the government makes decisions on what they think is the best available science, expect the average person to get screwed. Vote for clowns over and over, and you get a big circus.

Until accountability is enforced , and our actual legal system is fixed it’s never getting better .

Top politicians are now Kings , they do as they please even when against every law we have .

They are greasing each other’s bank accounts while we pay for it all .


We give away billions in graft with the wave of a pen instead of full representative vote .

.whole system is broke , and they love that it is .

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[Togfather2530]

It’s understandable your frustration given it was taken out of our hands. I’m my opinion the fluke fishing was TERRIBLE last year and has been getting worse for the about the last decade (since we were forced to keep the larger breeders). I don’t get why everyone wants to be able to keep more and more fish or more laxed regs. I’m sure this view will get some people worked up. I think if you’re really concerned about the fishery people should just start practicing catch and release with the given regs we have to deal with. This fishery has only declined

[Duffman]

Originally Posted by Togfather2530

It’s understandable your frustration given it was taken out of our hands. I’m my opinion the fluke fishing was TERRIBLE last year and has been getting worse for the about the last decade (since we were forced to keep the larger breeders). I don’t get why everyone wants to be able to keep more and more fish or more laxed regs. I’m sure this view will get some people worked up. I think if you’re really concerned about the fishery people should just start practicing catch and release with the given regs we have to deal with. This fishery has only declined

Just curious where you’re fishing out of? Only reason I ask is because you’ve stated last season was terrible in multiple posts.

[Jigman13]

Originally Posted by Duffman

Just curious where you’re fishing out of? Only reason I ask is because you’ve stated last season was terrible in multiple posts.

I had a banner year from shore. The problem was finding under 18" fish!