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Old 06-29-2017, 06:03 AM
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Not surprising under the current deregulation era. Absolute shame that big $$$ gets to harvest a main forage species that every game fish depend on.
regulations are always born because bad things happened... The boats were regulated because the raped the bait population.

When you here deregulation remember this. Banks were regulated because the housing market crashed.... Wall Street was regulated because everyone lost their pension.....

Things become deregulated so a few people can make money
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Old 06-29-2017, 08:03 AM
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regulations are always born because bad things happened... The boats were regulated because the raped the bait population.

When you here deregulation remember this. Banks were regulated because the housing market crashed.... Wall Street was regulated because everyone lost their pension.....

Things become deregulated so a few people can make money
I think we are in agreement.
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Old 06-29-2017, 10:18 AM
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bet they are getting some nice big weakies too.
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Old 06-29-2017, 01:43 PM
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I don't think it is a matter of deregulation. It is more like political influence.
This is a quote form a Dec. 2015 article about Omega in Chesapeake Bay:

“Because depletion of the juvenile population in the inshore nursery areas has dire consequences for the ecology of the bays, every Atlantic state, from Florida to Maine, except Virginia, bans purse seining for menhaden in its inshore and near-shore waters,” says William Tabor of the Chesapeake Bay Defense Foundation. “The result is that Omega Protein, the sole industrial menhaden reduction fishing operation, catches nearly its entire Atlantic quota in Virginia waters, with fully half its quota taken inside the Chesapeake Bay.”

The article also mentions how much Omega contributes to political campaigns in Virginia, with particular mention of contributions to Governor Terry McAuliffe.
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Old 06-29-2017, 05:58 PM
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I don't think it is a matter of deregulation. It is more like political influence.
This is a quote form a Dec. 2015 article about Omega in Chesapeake Bay:

“Because depletion of the juvenile population in the inshore nursery areas has dire consequences for the ecology of the bays, every Atlantic state, from Florida to Maine, except Virginia, bans purse seining for menhaden in its inshore and near-shore waters,” says William Tabor of the Chesapeake Bay Defense Foundation. “The result is that Omega Protein, the sole industrial menhaden reduction fishing operation, catches nearly its entire Atlantic quota in Virginia waters, with fully half its quota taken inside the Chesapeake Bay.”

The article also mentions how much Omega contributes to political campaigns in Virginia, with particular mention of contributions to Governor Terry McAuliffe.
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Today I saw 7 purse seine boats working just inshore of the Reach Channel West of Earle. I read bait like crazy on my machine and these guys appeared to be taking them all. They were packed together in a small area with their nets filling up with bunker. I watched one guy for several minutes and his net was pretty full.

The lack of bait in the Bay has resulted in a difficult Spring for many of us. Now, when the bait has arrived, it's quickly netted up for fertilizer & pet food.
Absolutely deplorable. What great progress was made in recent years in menhaden conservation, and now this? Last week I could not find any at all to net up or snag in the places where I usually get them. Those reduction boats suck the life out of the area. Probably tens of thousands of arguably the most important forage fish in the area...gone. I think I remember filling out an atlantic states marine fisheries survey on menhaden last year. Wonder what happened with that?
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Old 06-30-2017, 01:11 PM
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Not one governor or US senator from NJ cares about the bunker depletion in Raritan Bay. They never did and Christie could care less! Even the politicians that say there behind us accomplish nothing.Time for a change not only with NOAA but the life long politicians of New Jersey.How hard could it be to pass a law forbidding purse sieners in our bays?
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Old 06-30-2017, 01:22 PM
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Spot On Capt Sal!!! Just picture how many Bass, Weakies, Fluke, etc etc are sucked up in those nets. Mortality? 100%!!!!
Changing the subject but...didnt exactly see a lot of coverage of the two White Sharks(two that we are sure of) killed in gill nets(by locals) in the past several weeks nearby, along the beach. Crickets!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 06-30-2017, 01:54 PM
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Spot On Capt Sal!!! Just picture how many Bass, Weakies, Fluke, etc etc are sucked up in those nets. Mortality? 100%!!!!
Changing the subject but...didnt exactly see a lot of coverage of the two White Sharks(two that we are sure of) killed in gill nets(by locals) in the past several weeks nearby, along the beach. Crickets!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Watched these jerks from Belford make a set off Keyport #1 buoy .They killed more Bass and giant weakfish with one set than we catch in 5 seasons.They got crushed on the deck and because they can't keep them they threw them overboard. Looked like the mud hole with ling and whiting floating for miles1 Nope i have no respect for the Belford fleet.By the way the crew was laughing there heads off while throwing the stripers back!
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