No brook or browns for 2014..

[Cshadis92]

Originally Posted by Capt. Lou

I'm not worrying about the price of a trout stamp, nor was this any concern of mine. My main concern is the possible lack of opportunities to catch trophy trout!
I spend a lot more time in the the pursuit if trout then most & greatly enjoy the pursuit of trophy trout.
An offshore trip on my boat would cost me over $600 in fuel , so I'm not concerned if the dam trout stamp was. $100, I'd buy one .
What concerns me is this dumping of many trophy trout in marginal waters , they would probably be better off stocking average to medium size trout in these waters if license sales to these folks are their main concen
More fish would certainly allow for more fish being csught period.
I feel prime waters should get the lions share of trophy trout, I'm fishing now & fish all season whenever I'm not offshore, most of these folks will not fish until opening day, them maybe a few times there after .
U bet UR A I'm squawking & will contuine to do so! Just for the record I caught hundreds of trout last season but only two over. 5#'s! 60+ days !!

That's what I'm getting at. I'm not in financial hard ship, and I've had a great year catching trout, plenty far from the rear end of a stocking truck... Trust me. We're just voicing our opinions which is what a message board is for, to shoot the shit on, to whine, and to be happy over catching kick ass fish. We just feel there would be more kick ass fish if the weren't dumped into death ponds lol. And in years of trout fishing I never caught a brook trout! Is it so bad I wished they stocked them now to up my chances? I don't really see that as whining

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by Cshadis92

That's what I'm getting at. I'm not in financial hard ship, and I've had a great year catching trout, plenty far from the rear end of a stocking truck... Trust me. We're just voicing our opinions which is what a message board is for, to shoot the shit on, to whine, and to be happy over catching kick ass fish. We just feel there would be more kick ass fish if the weren't dumped into death ponds lol. And in years of trout fishing I never caught a brook trout! Is it so bad I wished they stocked them now to up my chances? I don't really see that as whining

im talking about guys whining they shouldnt buy a trout stamp.
While I agree that fish are better stocked in the rivers the KIDS that fish those ponds dont think so.
as long as the resource is being used to benifit all im happy with it.
wanna catch a real brook trout , not a washed out silver looking one from a hatchery. Buy a PA license and fish any of the little creeks that run through the poconos.
They are loaded with natives . they will only be 4-10 inches long. BUT the colors will take your breath away .

whats better HOPEFULLY with them stocking rainbows is there wont be thousands of fish raised and wasted , that dont make it to any water.

[baetis]

Why do people think the "urban" angler who paid just as much money for his stamp isn't entitled to catch and keep a decent sized trout as someone who fishes the Pequest ?

Take away all those licenses sold to "mud pit" fisherman and see how many cuts Fish and Game have to make that would impact everyone.

There is nothing wrong with spreading the fish out, and more importantly - spreading the fisherman out.

Lets stock fewer bodies of water and see how quick those "pristine" waters get overcrowded and polluted with trash.

[baetis]

And, as to the topic of the thread - IMO it's a big mistake to put all your eggs in one basket. What happens when a new disease pops up that affects rainbows more than browns and brookies? Will NJ have a fall back?

[Cshadis92]

Originally Posted by baetis

And, as to the topic of the thread - IMO it's a big mistake to put all your eggs in one basket. What happens when a new disease pops up that affects rainbows more than browns and brookies? Will NJ have a fall back?

That's a good point. I wonder if anybody has asked fish and wildlife that. I appreciate everyone's feedback thus far on the topic.. lot of good points made.

[UglyStick]

It's likely that an update on the furunculosis management plan will be given at this Saturdays Freshwater Fisheries Forum. I encourage anyone with questions for NJ F&W to attend.

[surfrod]

Originally Posted by UglyStick

It's likely that an update on the furunculosis management plan will be given at this Saturdays Freshwater Fisheries Forum. I encourage anyone with questions for NJ F&W to attend.

hopefully they can touch on some of that at batsto next month, I don't have my visa stamped in order to visit Hackettstown

[Capt. Lou]

As we now understand it , I would assume they do not ! Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, by the way I'd love to be wrong on this one!! I know my home state of PA & many / most other states stock all speciescs , why NJ can't another ? Mark ! Does this all relate to money or lack of it to run this program?? Anybody ?? Maybe they should raise the cost of a license , if this would help finance this program , something seems to need a change !
Warm water fishery seems to be on track .

[Lard Almighty]

Two things:

1. I used to be against stocking trout in the park ponds, but over time I’ve come to accept it. The main reason is that the Pequest produces ~600,000 trout every year. This means that, even if every stocked trout was caught and killed or died naturally over the course of a year, there would be just as many trout going back in next year. That results in as many opportunities for fishermen to catch trout as in years past, whether you fish Little Flat Brook, the Musky, RV, or a 2-acre goose-sh1t pond. Personally, I would rather go to a scenic, gurgling freestone stream to catch trout, but I’m not going to begrudge anyone for not wanting to travel and instead fish for trout in the park 5 minutes from their house.

2. The rearing of only rainbows at the Pequest seems like a band-aid as opposed to a solution. Hopefully it is just a temporary measure until the hatchery can figure out new strategies for safeguarding the trout from diseases being brought in. As mentioned before, now it will only take one outbreak of a disease that favors rainbow trout (whirling disease comes to mind immediately) to wipe out the entire hatchery. Also, IMO the variety of the three species is actually a nice perk of the program, as each species has its own behaviors and bait preferences. I actually missed catching brookies last year.

[Capt. Lou]

Originally Posted by Lard Almighty

Two things:

1. I used to be against stocking trout in the park ponds, but over time I’ve come to accept it. The main reason is that the Pequest produces ~600,000 trout every year. This means that, even if every stocked trout was caught and killed or died naturally over the course of a year, there would be just as many trout going back in next year. That results in as many opportunities for fishermen to catch trout as in years past, whether you fish Little Flat Brook, the Musky, RV, or a 2-acre goose-sh1t pond. Personally, I would rather go to a scenic, gurgling freestone stream to catch trout, but I’m not going to begrudge anyone for not wanting to travel and instead fish for trout in the park 5 minutes from their house.

2. The rearing of only rainbows at the Pequest seems like a band-aid as opposed to a solution. Hopefully it is just a temporary measure until the hatchery can figure out new strategies for safeguarding the trout from diseases being brought in. As mentioned before, now it will only take one outbreak of a disease that favors rainbow trout (whirling disease comes to mind immediately) to wipe out the entire hatchery. Also, IMO the variety of the three species is actually a nice perk of the program, as each species has its own behaviors and bait preferences. I actually missed catching brookies last year.

I'm not against the stocking of urban lakes either, my argument is to simply stock them with more average size fish & disperse more trophy trout in NJ primary streams . They can put oversize trout in those waters as well but not at the expense of major waters , this makes sense to me . We'll see what this spring brings , actually last year was one of the best for me sans trophies !