My .02 on JCAA Tournament

[broken bobber]

Originally Posted by arat

My thoughts also been in 4-6s in 20 footers multiple times..... Comfortable? No but we did it and caught fish if your not willing then get out of the game

True Dat....

an alternate date is always nice but this is not the only tourney that doesn't have one so ya cant complain when its clearly stated, if your not in the money leave the sour grapes in your vineyard... its called FISHING, NOT, CATCHING..... as Gerry stated there have been NUMEROUS tourneys that ran event on the alternate date that turned out to be 10x worse the the original....

again.... ya KNOW the rules when u sign up..... Rain or Shine...... don't like it, stay home.... Most tourneys are fund raisers for some club or good cause.... feel good about your donation and fish where you can if your in it.... I personally will always have alternate places to drag bait or bounce tails.... if one thing, area or technique is all you know then your at a disadvantage before you leave the dock.....

[broken bobber]

Originally Posted by dakota560

And your correct, the rules are the rules which is why anyone who is fed up with them should simply not sign up for the tournament next year.


There's virtually no prize money, the calcutta is paid out two- thirds which is the only tournament I know which holds back a portion of the Calcutta for themselves, and they obviously don't care about the safety of their supporters.
Dakota

well you just gave the answer to the question.... don't like the rules don't sign up.....

and as far as Calcutta moneys..... Pt Elks takes a big cut also....not a third.... but they do take money off the top..... from our 36+ grand we got 32 g

Originally Posted by broken bobber

True Dat....

an alternate date is always nice but this is not the only tourney that doesn't have one so ya cant complain when its clearly stated, if your not in the money leave the sour grapes in your vineyard... its called FISHING, NOT, CATCHING..... as Gerry stated there have been NUMEROUS tourneys that ran event on the alternate date that turned out to be 10x worse the the original....

again.... ya KNOW the rules when u sign up..... Rain or Shine...... don't like it, stay home.... Most tourneys are fund raisers for some club or good cause.... feel good about your donation and fish where you can if your in it.... I personally will always have alternate places to drag bait or bounce tails.... if one thing, area or technique is all you know then your at a disadvantage before you leave the dock.....

BB

Never said an alternate date would be the end all answer but it would certainly add an option which currently doesn't exist. Maybe an alternate date doesn't pan out but then again maybe the untold number of anglers who signed up and didn't have a chance to fish could have if the event was rescheduled to next week. Also I never said the rules don't clearly state the tournaments position on this so once again you state the obvious.

You sail out of the Highlands area, Staten Island, Newark Bay somewhere in that area and as a result you and anyone else who sail from that area have the benefit of fishing the ocean or ducking back into the bay if need be. Ocean ports don't have the same benefit of such a wide body of water which is why you can see the results drop off so precipitously in Belmar, Pt Pleasant and other ocean based ports. Belmar down to Cape May had severe conditions and are more exposed to a NE than the Sandy Hook area. I'm making a suggestion which I believe would greatly benefit the tournament and all entrants which is the same reason I believe Sharkispsy started this thread. You on the other hand and as always choose to post your sarcastic bs and use the thread as a platform to beat your chest about your fishing abilities. No body really gives a shit about how many spots you have or how many fluke you put in the boat because at the end of the day you're just a sarcastic self-righteous lost soul. If you don't have anything constructive to contribute to the thread, refrain from posting anything or maybe you can grace the site with your thoughts about Paul Haertel's recommended changes to the tournament so we can provide him with some feedback to his earlier post and maybe make some positive changes to the tournament for '15 which I believe will benefit all anglers as well as the JCAA. OR you can simply choose to continue telling the entire board how great a fisherman you are which as I said before no one really cares.....your choice.

Dakota

[broken bobber]

Originally Posted by dakota560

BB

Never said an alternate date would be the end all answer but it would certainly add an option which currently doesn't exist. Maybe an alternate date doesn't pan out but then again maybe the untold number of anglers who signed up and didn't have a chance to fish could have if the event was rescheduled to next week. Also I never said the rules don't clearly state the tournaments position on this so once again you state the obvious.

You sail out of the Highlands area, Staten Island, Newark Bay somewhere in that area and as a result you and anyone else who sail from that area have the benefit of fishing the ocean or ducking back into the bay if need be. Ocean ports don't have the same benefit of such a wide body of water which is why you can see the results drop off so precipitously in Belmar, Pt Pleasant and other ocean based ports. Belmar down to Cape May had severe conditions and are more exposed to a NE than the Sandy Hook area. I'm making a suggestion which I believe would greatly benefit the tournament and all entrants which is the same reason I believe Sharkispsy started this thread. You on the other hand and as always choose to post your sarcastic bs and use the thread as a platform to beat your chest about your fishing abilities. No body really gives a shit about how many spots you have or how many fluke you put in the boat because at the end of the day you're just a sarcastic self-righteous lost soul. If you don't have anything constructive to contribute to the thread, refrain from posting anything or maybe you can grace the site with your thoughts about Paul Haertel's recommended changes to the tournament so we can provide him with some feedback to his earlier post and maybe make some positive changes to the tournament for '15 which I believe will benefit all anglers as well as the JCAA. OR you can simply choose to continue telling the entire board how great a fisherman you are which as I said before no one really cares.....your choice.

Dakota

lmao..... i did agree with Paul... but guys that KEEP CRYING they couldnt fish it, it should have been postponed i have no pity for..... Rain or shine is to simple for you to understand i guess..... Its a Charity event..... period...... just proving my point that if you rely on one place or method then hope ya can cast to and reach them from the beach..... as in the case of the elks tourney when complaints were lodged at the meeting the directors reply was..... we been doing this for 20 yrs, dont like the shot gun start , leave at 7 not 6.... not a good answer but its their game take it or leave it...... the only problem i see with the alternate date is that this event would be competeing with 2 other tourneys this week bringin in even less entrants....

Originally Posted by broken bobber

lmao..... i did agree with Paul... but guys that KEEP CRYING they couldnt fish it, it should have been postponed i have no pity for..... Rain or shine is to simple for you to understand i guess..... Its a Charity event..... period...... just proving my point that if you rely on one place or method then hope ya can cast to and reach them from the beach..... as in the case of the elks tourney when complaints were lodged at the meeting the directors reply was..... we been doing this for 20 yrs, dont like the shot gun start , leave at 7 not 6.... not a good answer but its their game take it or leave it...... the only problem i see with the alternate date is that this event would be competeing with 2 other tourneys this week bringin in even less entrants....

Now I understand the inclusion of the word “Broken” in your screen name. The problem is I’m attempting a logical conversation with a child so I’ll try putting this in terms even you can understand. So I get this right, your position is if we had a hurricane this past Saturday, the tournament should still have been run and under no circumstances weather wise should it ever be cancelled. I know those are the current rules but that’s the change I’m suggesting the tournament should make for the betterment and ultimate safety of all involved, JCAA included. Your position is the tournament should assume no responsibility for the safety of the participants in an event they sponsor. They ask participants to support their cause but they want zero responsibility for angler’s safety when weather conditions deteriorate like they did Saturday. I struggle with how anyone can have that point of view as it contributes to creating an unsafe situation and favors ports that are less impacted by the weather element like Sandy Hook and Jersey City in this past tournament. You continue to bring up the issue of multiple places to fish, which we all understand no one on this planet has more numbers in their GPS than the great and powerful Bobber. I bring up safety and you translate that into fishing locations. Your words not mine. You have a propensity for twisting things around to facilitate the points you want to make. Sandy Hook provides a completely different set of options as opposed to Belmar, Pt. Pleasant and probably most of the other ocean based ports. Having fishing options has everything to do with location and structure as opposed to your implication of number of way points in anyone’s given GPS. I suppose guys sailing out of Pt. Pleasant and Belmar should have attempted running 20 or so miles up to Sandy Hook in Saturday’s conditions to take advantage of the protection that area offers. You imply inside fishing areas in Belmar or Pt. Pleasant are comparable to areas in Raritan Bay which is simply not the case. I have well over 150 way points in my GPS but if I had to access the ocean to fish them it presented the same unsafe situation. Because you enjoy the benefit of an area which has quality locations to fish regardless of the weather and wind conditions, you translate that into meaning anglers from ocean based ports simply don’t have the magnitude of numbers to fish as the great one himself. Your narcissistic views, even for you, are reaching new levels. And for what it’s worth, I signed up for a fishing tournament, I didn’t make a $210 pledge to a charitable organization……period! Direct me if you can to where it says “JCAA Charity Fundraiser”, maybe I filled out the wrong application. JCAA may very well use the funds in a charitable manner, I have no idea and don’t really care since it’s none of my business, but I signed up as I’m sure most everyone else did to compete in a fishing tournament as opposed to making a contribution to a charity as you infer.

It wouldn’t surprise me if there were 100 entrants who never left the dock Saturday due to the weather conditions. There had to be at least 15 on the SRI bridge alone at 5:30 Saturday morning who decided it wasn’t worth the risk to sail. If there were that many anglers who opted not to fish and each was in the fluke Calcutta, that would represent ~$21,000 being ponied up by anglers who never had an opportunity to wet a line. That’s simply an inequitable situation for participants who are being asked to support JCAA’s cause. Just look at the port results themselves as two thirds of the ports didn’t fill the top 10 spots.

Here’s the simple truth of the matter. Saturday’s conditions should have prompted a cancellation date but since the tournament elects to not have a weather date and ignore angler safety the tournament was on. I’m not asking anyone to change this year’s tournament. What I am campaigning for is a change for next year and beyond because sooner or later JCAA’s luck will run out and someone will sail in conditions like Saturday’s that will cost someone bodily harm if not worse. If that happens, everyone loses and I assure you there will be a lawsuit regardless of the verbiage in the rules and regulations. GUARANTEED! If the JCAA cares about the safety of the anglers who support their event and the parity of making sure everyone has an opportunity to fish, they should immediately implement a weather date to back up those sentiments. It’s in everyone’s best interest including the JCAA as I believe more people will sign up. It presents an option and a fall back date which currently doesn’t exist and it takes the decision of sailing in severe conditions out of the equation. How is that not a win situation for everyone? It appears JCAA President Paul Haertel understands this and is in favor of this change but apparently other officials involved don’t feel the need to concern themselves with participant safety.

Either way, Sharkyispy’s initial post and my subsequent posts were an effort to bring this matter to a level where constructive discussion might lead to a positive change benefiting the JCAA and all future tournaments. Paul took the time to address the board, which is very appreciated, and laid out an alternate structure earlier in this thread which in my opinion makes perfect sense and addresses the points which were thrown on the table. I was hoping more people would opine on his proposal so he could take it back to the Committee to review and hopefully facilitate adopting changes to the 2015 tournament. As usual you choose to take the thread and turn it into a sarcastic, I’m holier than God, I’m the great and powerful Broken Bobber, I can fish anywhere anytime and charm the board with your normal sarcastic pompous bs attitude which quite frankly is growing old. If you have nothing constructive to add to the thread, do the board a favor and refrain from saying anything. Your nauseating self-indulgent posts serve no purpose here and are relevant in your own mind, no one else's.

Dakota

[Sharkyispy]

My ultimate point here being, I understand rain or shine and fully understand the disclaimers put forth by the JCAA.org for a captain to make a decision on whether to fish or not , but when the forecasted weather was as bad as it was and posted by 2AM in the morning, many anglers are putting up entry fees they are then not able to use. Consideration in the future needs to be given to a potential cancellation or postponement date. This is my .02 on this right , wrong indifferent and hope that the feedback is taken into consideration for all just as the date changes that have been made based on angler input.[/QUOTE]

An excerpt from my original post quoting what my intent was. Some would rather turn this into something else than attempting to influence change for all involved, so be it and that will probably never change in itself. I have sent Paul PMs to which he has also responded and appears publicly, he is looking for input to help make that change. Maybe energy provided towards your input for all is best. Thank you Paul and the others posting for having the wherewithal to listen and attempt to make a difference.

[broken bobber]

I think most would agree with the long winded Dakota.... alternate date in the FUTURE would benefit all including the JCAA.... but you continue to complain about this past weekend which again was run by the current rules, so complain after the fact that ya either couldnt get out or catch where ever you were..... Oh well..... why did ya sign up...... JCAA uses the doe to fight for yours , mine, everyones rights and concerns in the Saltwater Sport, If anyone has to sweat the entry fee or losing it because they couldnt fish, maybe they should use the money elsewhere.. Also a huge attraction for some is that EVERYONE who entered weather you fished, or did not, weather you weighed in or did not, you still have a shot at the GRAND PRIZE BOAT AND TRAILER..... as stated earlier by Paul H. he didnt sail not for safety issues, but for basic i guess wear and tear on his body.... EVEN though i agree with your argument for FUTURE CHANGES... YOU keep getting personal and bring me up in your argument... Its hilarious...... but a haters gonna hate.......

[shrimpman steve]

Originally Posted by formakos

Paul: I like your idea of Aug. 1 with an alternate of Aug. 8. Schedule the awards ceremony after the alternate date as you suggested. Good luck

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[Angler Paul]

Thanks to everyone for their input. I will keep everyone posted as to what we decide to do next year. However, we probably won't decide until the winter when a decision will be made as to where we will have the awards ceremony. By the way, we had over 400 people at this years awards ceremony and gave out 55 door prizes that I beleive were each valued from about $50. to over $200. You did not even have to fish to win one of those as also was the case with the boat motor and trailer. To top it off we had a 50/50 that paid $2045.. Thanks to everyone for their support!

Paul