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Jay 03-04-2013 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by RC.
It does happen there. It happens everywhere. There were reports earlier this year on this site where a guy fished on the Voyager and "caught 38 sea bass" however, he was smart enough to put that famous quote "keeping only my legal limit" in his post. Maybe he did only keep 15 and threw the rest back, most of which probably died regardless of whether they were vented or not. If you are truly following the limit, put the rod away once you hit 15.
I caught 38 Seabass on Voyager, "kept my legal limit". I shared the rest with the crew and others who were unfortunately sick through the trip. Does that make me a pirate? :rolleyes:

bulletbob 03-04-2013 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by tombanjo
How many do they need? Come on, this is about the money not stocking the freezer for most of them. These are prized fish in Chinatown.
Understood.. Just wasn't thinking along those lines...
I guess it makes sense.. Guy keeps 25,brings home 10 or so- sells 15 at $2.50 a pound, and it pays for a little bit of his trip.. Not worth the risk IMHO..
15 fish of that size is not a bad limit at all... There will always be "pin hookers" I guess.. I thought that was dying off in the modern age. I am sorry to hear it has not.. It makes the vessel, and also the captain and mates on these fine boats look bad when one of these "sportsmen" gets nailed at the dock. They don't deserve that. It goes into the paper, on the internet etc.
They get a black eye through NO fault of their own because a few greedy idiots feel they can disregard legal bag limits.. With 40- 50 guys slinging fish up by 2's and 3's all around the boat all day, they can only do so much... Not enough eyes.. However, they should not need that many eyes... A little bit of self restraint and sense of fair play would go a long way....
bob

Mikey topaz 03-04-2013 08:41 AM
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Its a shame, part of the problem is some people just are lazy too. guys probly didnt have a clue how many they had in the cooler and just thought ah the hell with it and didnt even bother to take the time and count. Myself and madman fished the gambler on a trip this year and we dumped our cooler twice just to double check :)

GOTCHA1224 03-04-2013 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TDaly25
I was on the boat a week or so ago and there were at least 2 announcements over the intercom during the day reminding fares of what the bag limits are for biscuits. I think a captain and crew can only do so much and that in the end it is up to the individual to demonstrate discipline and adherence to the rules. JMHO
you didnt stomp youre feet and go home for over crowding ..SHOCKER:D

GOTCHA1224 03-04-2013 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay
I caught 38 Seabass on Voyager, "kept my legal limit". I shared the rest with the crew and others who were unfortunately sick through the trip. Does that make me a pirate? :rolleyes:
YES THAT MAKES YOU A POACHER

Capt Joe 03-04-2013 09:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RC.
It does happen there. It happens everywhere. There were reports earlier this year on this site where a guy fished on the Voyager and "caught 38 sea bass" however, he was smart enough to put that famous quote "keeping only my legal limit" in his post. Maybe he did only keep 15 and threw the rest back, most of which probably died regardless of whether they were vented or not. If you are truly following the limit, put the rod away once you hit 15.
Someone finally got it right - especially the "probably died" part.!:)

RC. 03-04-2013 09:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay
I caught 38 Seabass on Voyager, "kept my legal limit". I shared the rest with the crew and others who were unfortunately sick through the trip. Does that make me a pirate? :rolleyes:
My point wasn't to call you out (assuming you were the guy who posted it- I honestly don't remember). My point was to dispute that it only happens on certain boats. I don't believe in the limit, I have no problem with you keeping as many as you want. However, the bottom line is YOUR limit was 15, YOU kept 38. What you did with the 23 fish you kept over your limit is a different story and it's your business. Maybe it was a noble thing that you gave a bunch away. If I was one of the seasick recipients, I would have greatly appreciated it, I'm sure.

If you ask me, you did nothing wrong, even though you kept more than your limit. Maybe the people that got busted on the DM intended on eventually giving them away and only keeping 30 fillets for themselves.

I wouldn't call you a pirate. Maybe a "freedom fighter" or a "protestor".;)

bigal427 03-04-2013 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by JOHN D
15 is too many if you ask me. Nobody will agree whith me but keeping more than that will just do the same thing that we did with cod macks and ling in the past year. wondering where they all went? we killed them off not the commercial guys. us. If we dont take care of seabass you can say bye bye to winter fishing.
Do you really think we did it .Try blaming the commercial. 15 fish should be plenty and I do not agree with them taking away some of the best times to fish from the inshore guys and throw a bone to the party boats so they can fish them offshore. I fish for sea bas in the spring ,summer and fall from the beach to 10 miles out but can not see running 70 miles to catch them. (bass barn)

Chico 03-04-2013 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bigal427
Do you really think we did it .Try blaming the commercial
Isn't it true that the commercial landings/quota were reduced in the past few years? If so, then we have to look for other possible answers. Some say the cod are following the bait schools, and yes, the bait schools have been decimated by the comms. This is the first year where they are reducing the allowable catch of bunker, too little, too late. We must also share the blame for overfishing some areas. You read the reports of boats fishing for cod, bumper to bumper, day in, day out. That has to have some effect as well.

tautog 03-04-2013 10:33 AM
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The only problem with the sea bass fishery right now is too many large fish and not enough small ones. Size limit needs to be lowered, then the fish will switch from females to male sooner and the population will expand more rapidly. In the late 90s and early 2000s, fish switched to male at 8-9" and there were tons of fish, now with larger size limits, the switch is often over 13." All summer you could catch over 50 fish a day, though many were tiny. Now it is hard to catch very many sea bass outside of the peak seasons and there seems to be relatively few small fish. Sea bass are one of he few fish that benefit from fishing pressure.

frugalfisherman 03-04-2013 10:49 AM
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Plenty of 8-9 inch sea bass at the Asian market last week.

Fishguts 03-04-2013 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by nancy corigan
Hey John, check it out. The rod and reel guys aren't doing the damage it's the fish pots, trawlers and roller gear.
Would you be referring to the hard working small time commercial fisherman or those evil east coast corporate trawlers that you made up.... I mean referred to in prior post?
If the stocks are declared 102% of the rebuilding target and over fishining is not occurring how are commercial fisherman having a negative effect on the stocks?
How about this..... The stocks are healthy , matter a fact they are about the healthiest they have been in most of our life times. The angler success rate is so good due to the abundance of fish that quotas are achieved or exceeds with the current size , season and bag limits. Now to change the current status of the seabass fishery thier are a number of options. Some can be supported by facts others by opinions , but they could help all anglers have access to this healthy fishing. This is a partial list.... Declare the biomass at twice it's current size, declare angler participation at half it's current levels, challenge MFSS and angler success rates, double quotas and challenge they will not have a negitive impact on the stocks .... These are just a few options to help anglers regain year round access. The bottom line is pointing fingers at another angling group fishing under a quota is about as wrong as one could be. But then again trueth and the Internet

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Jay 03-04-2013 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by GOTCHA1224
YES THAT MAKES YOU A POACHER
Do you think, I really give two sh*ts what you think? You must be confusing me with someone who gives a sh*t. Like I stated, I kept my 15 keepers and helped the unfortunate who were sick through the trip. I guess, I was wrong, for helping those people. Going forward, I'll just think about myself and hell with the others. :D ;)

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Originally Posted by RC.
My point wasn't to call you out (assuming you were the guy who posted it- I honestly don't remember). My point was to dispute that it only happens on certain boats. I don't believe in the limit, I have no problem with you keeping as many as you want. However, the bottom line is YOUR limit was 15, YOU kept 38. What you did with the 23 fish you kept over your limit is a different story and it's your business. Maybe it was a noble thing that you gave a bunch away. If I was one of the seasick recipients, I would have greatly appreciated it, I'm sure.

If you ask me, you did nothing wrong, even though you kept more than your limit. Maybe the people that got busted on the DM intended on eventually giving them away and only keeping 30 fillets for themselves.

I wouldn't call you a pirate. Maybe a "freedom fighter" or a "protestor".;)
This will be the last time. I kept my 15 keepers. The other 23 went to those unfortunate who were sick. Do you really think the Voyager would of fillet all of the 38 fish in my cooler? NO! I wouldn't jeopardize me getting banned from the Voyager. Just was trying to help others, I guess I'm a poucher now for helping others. ;)

Capt. Debbie 03-04-2013 11:39 AM
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Who actually fishes for cheap food? Maybe the guys on a dock.





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Originally Posted by RC.
Completely agree with you Andy. I used to book a trip almost every week during winter sea bass season. With a 15 fish limit, I choose not to go. By the time you pay for the trip, tip, tackle, etc....it's a $250 day. When you catch your limit in the first hour, what do you do after that? Play catch and release and pretend that those fish you just pulled out of 200 ft of water all live when you toss them back? Sit in the cabin for the next 5 hours? Or do you keep pulling and fill the cooler hoping the fish cops don't meet you at the dock?

Lots of people choose the last option. When you know the regulation in place is absurd and based on nothing, I don't blame them. After all, when you post your report you can still put "keeping only my legal limit" as if that statement means something..... If the sea bass stock was truly in trouble, that's a completely different story.

Harpoon 03-04-2013 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GOTCHA1224
YES THAT MAKES YOU A POACHER

So on a 6 pack charter if the captain and mate allow you to keep their fish does that make you a poacher or a pirate? I'd love to hear from SaltLife on this one too.

Ol Pedro 03-04-2013 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay
Do you think, I really give two sh*ts what you think? You must be confusing me with someone who gives a sh*t. Like I stated, I kept my 15 keepers and helped the unfortunate who were sick through the trip. I guess, I was wrong, for helping those people. Going forward, I'll just think about myself and hell with the others. :D ;)



This will be the last time. I kept my 15 keepers. The other 23 went to those unfortunate who were sick. Do you really think the Voyager would of fillet all of the 38 fish in my cooler? NO! I wouldn't jeopardize me getting banned from the Voyager. Just was trying to help others, I guess I'm a poucher now for helping others. ;)
Jay , you didn't retain more than your limit . You released them back into someone else's cooler .That's different than someone selling their overlimit . I always appriciate a few fillets to take home after a hard day working deck .

nancy corigan 03-04-2013 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Chico
Isn't it true that the commercial landings/quota were reduced in the past few years? If so, then we have to look for other possible answers. Some say the cod are following the bait schools, and yes, the bait schools have been decimated by the comms. This is the first year where they are reducing the allowable catch of bunker, too little, too late. We must also share the blame for overfishing some areas. You read the reports of boats fishing for cod, bumper to bumper, day in, day out. That has to have some effect as well.
You do realize NJ shares their catch with other states thats why your Sea bass season ended early right? Mass went way over the allocated limit and that shut you down as you were nowhere nearing yours.

That's why you didn't have a Nov. 1 to Dec. 31 sea bass season.

NJ Fish and Game-

(as of 10/2012)
May. 19 - Sept. 3
Sept. 23 - Oct. 14
Will not be reopening in November - Closed for 2012

I know of maybe 6 boats that go offshore for sea bass when it is open and those six boats would have to bang on those stocks everyday for a year in order to even make a ding in the stocks. ( Mind you they went offshore only about half the time maybe a little more because of weather and they never went for 2 years prior) Please explain how this will hurt our stock again. :)

From NOAA for black sea bass-

Fishing Rate

Sustainable (no overfishing) in the Mid-Atlantic.

http://www.fishwatch.gov/seafood_pro...k_sea_bass.htm

aduma1107 03-04-2013 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyS
Say you pay 200 bux and get 15 fish = 14 bux a fillet !!!

I don't want bluefish, porgies, pollock, or cod, I want sea bass.

If the reason for the 15 fish was a lower biomass show me the math, where ?

There was no reason to go to 15 fish and 2 months. It will keep going mark my words. Maybe next year it will be 10 fish and one month season, they are slowly chipping away, in 10 years you can take up golf.

Show me how much meat you get off a 14" sea bass, pleeeeeeze.
May not like the regs, I sure dont agree with them but still play fair. No one forcing me into a bunk to steam 6 hours for 15 fish, I chose to do it.

Jay 03-04-2013 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ol Pedro
Jay , you didn't retain more than your limit . You released them back into someone else's cooler .That's different than someone selling their overlimit . I always appriciate a few fillets to take home after a hard day working deck .
Exactly, thank you for understanding. The mates and the sick passengers were very grateful for those who did contribute to the cause.

RC. 03-04-2013 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Capt. Frank
Who actually fishes for cheap food? Maybe the guys on a dock.
That wasn't my point. It has nothing to do with cheap food. I gave almost everything I caught away anyway. My point was that if you can catch your limit in a half hour or hour, and then you have to stop fishing, it's not really worth it. I went all the time because I loved the fishing part of it. It's a lot of effort and expense for that amount of fishing. But I'm sure there are some who look at it not enough bang for their buck.

SaltLife1980 03-04-2013 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Harpoon
So on a 6 pack charter if the captain and mate allow you to keep their fish does that make you a poacher or a pirate? I'd love to hear from SaltLife on this one too.

If you have your limit how many more fish do you need.. I will give my fish away to the people that did not catch there limit.. i dont want people to walk off the boat with over there limit and get in trouble.. But the guy that was 2 short of a limit of course i will give him 2 fish to make his limit..

Fishing for a guy that is sick is way different then keeping over your limit.. Jay picked up some extra fish for people who are green in the cabin.. That was the nice thing to do..

aduma1107 03-04-2013 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SaltLife1980
If you have your limit how many more fish do you need.. I will give my fish away to the people that did not catch there limit.. i dont want people to walk off the boat with over there limit and get in trouble.. But the guy that was 2 short of a limit of course i will give him 2 fish to make his limit..

Fishing for a guy that is sick is way different then keeping over your limit.. Jay picked up some extra fish for people who are green in the cabin.. That was the nice thing to do..
Second that. Boat limit...if the boat get it's limit for 32 fares then all is good.:) Even for the greenies

Harpoon 03-04-2013 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SaltLife1980
If you have your limit how many more fish do you need.. I will give my fish away to the people that did not catch there limit.. i dont want people to walk off the boat with over there limit and get in trouble.. But the guy that was 2 short of a limit of course i will give him 2 fish to make his limit..

Fishing for a guy that is sick is way different then keeping over your limit.. Jay picked up some extra fish for people who are green in the cabin.. That was the nice thing to do..

I was asking cause Gotcha thinks Jay poached, which I would not categorize what he did as poaching. I know since you are a mate that you would have an opinion about what happens on Papa's Angles or other boats that you work on when fares catch captains/mates share of the catch. Me I don't believe it is poaching...but just wanted to hear from someone that works on the boats.

Also when F/G count each individual anglers catch do they take into account the fish that could have come from the crews #'s? For argument sake we will say there are 10 fares on the boat and 2 mates and a captain. Boat limit to me would be 10 fares x 15 cbass per fare plus 15 cbass a piece for each mate and the captain. Just like on a 6pack charter during fluke season. A lot of charters will allow the fares to keep the captains and mates share of the fluke. Does this thinking go into effect when they are writing tickets? I'm not being a smart ass either this is a serious question.

GOTCHA1224 03-04-2013 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay
Do you think, I really give two sh*ts what you think? You must be confusing me with someone who gives a sh*t. Like I stated, I kept my 15 keepers and helped the unfortunate who were sick through the trip. I guess, I was wrong, for helping those people. Going forward, I'll just think about myself and hell with the others. :D ;)



This will be the last time. I kept my 15 keepers. The other 23 went to those unfortunate who were sick. Do you really think the Voyager would of fillet all of the 38 fish in my cooler? NO! I wouldn't jeopardize me getting banned from the Voyager. Just was trying to help others, I guess I'm a poucher now for helping others. ;)
before you open you're mouth maybe you should ask fish and game if what you did was legal or illegal? I am willing to put up $1000.00 cash to say that you are wrong 1000%.you cannot kep fish over you're limit and put into someone elses cooler! prove me wrong. seasick or not

GOTCHA1224 03-04-2013 05:15 PM
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I have 7 differant eye patches (one for each day of the week) I love poached seabass but why would you admit to it is beyond me.read the digest

GOTCHA1224 03-04-2013 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Harpoon
I was asking cause Gotcha thinks Jay poached, which I would not categorize what he did as poaching. I know since you are a mate that you would have an opinion about what happens on Papa's Angles or other boats that you work on when fares catch captains/mates share of the catch. Me I don't believe it is poaching...but just wanted to hear from someone that works on the boats.

Also when F/G count each individual anglers catch do they take into account the fish that could have come from the crews #'s? For argument sake we will say there are 10 fares on the boat and 2 mates and a captain. Boat limit to me would be 10 fares x 15 cbass per fare plus 15 cbass a piece for each mate and the captain. Just like on a 6pack charter during fluke season. A lot of charters will allow the fares to keep the captains and mates share of the fluke. Does this thinking go into effect when they are writing tickets? I'm not being a smart ass either this is a serious question.
do the math you charter a boat keep 5 fluke each whole plus the captain and mate's fish that would be 40 fluke. you load the fish in the truck drive away and get stopped by fish and game ,they search the cooler and find 40 whole fluke and only 6 guys in thetruck.guess what you are getting fined for ten fluke over your limit.

Harpoon 03-04-2013 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GOTCHA1224
do the math you charter a boat keep 5 fluke each whole plus the captain and mate's fish that would be 40 fluke. you load the fish in the truck drive away and get stopped by fish and game ,they search the cooler and find 40 whole fluke and only 6 guys in thetruck.guess what you are getting fined for ten fluke over your limit.

Huh? No dude I gotta say you got that wrong. Take a charter and you are allowed to keep the mates and captains catch. I don't think you have a leg (even a peg leg) to stand on in this situation!

GOTCHA1224 03-04-2013 05:27 PM
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you are dead wrong bet me a grand or a better bet if im wrong i will buy you a charter trip on the monger if you are wrong you buy me a trip on the monger.but officer these extra ten fluke belong to the captain and mate.:D

Harpoon 03-04-2013 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GOTCHA1224
you are dead wrong bet me a grand or a better bet if im wrong i will buy you a charter trip on the monger if you are wrong you buy me a trip on the monger.but officer these extra ten fluke belong to the captain and mate.:D
Nah...I don't belong to Monger nation. Thanks anyway!

jmurr711 03-04-2013 05:38 PM
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is winter over yet?

Ol Pedro 03-04-2013 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Harpoon
Huh? No dude I gotta say you got that wrong. Take a charter and you are allowed to keep the mates and captains catch. I don't think you have a leg (even a peg leg) to stand on in this situation!
If I have my 15 Bass filleted with skin attached that is my posession limit . I can't take extra fish home . Each angler should only have his possession limit . Who cares who caught them as long as they are what that person can possess legally when they step off the boat . If it said 15 @12.5" 15 in posession then you can only have 15 . If I'm wrong please correct me .

Ol Pedro 03-04-2013 05:58 PM
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Jay , lets try and get out for the Stripers this Spring . Enough of this I bet you crap . I've already been erased once on this thread . Lets go fishing . I'm suprised that the FG hasn't chined in as they monitor these sites .

GOTCHA1224 03-04-2013 05:58 PM
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wrong again if you are limited out you are supposed to release them not release into someone elses cooler.

Jay 03-04-2013 06:19 PM
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I think this whole thread is hilarious! What a good laugh!!! LMAO!!!! :D :D :D

East Coast Angler 03-04-2013 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tautog
Write someone else's name on it.:eek:

Just wright Louie on every cooler..

Art Berkman 03-04-2013 06:22 PM
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Wang ova here :D

Fishguts 03-04-2013 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Harpoon
Nah...I don't belong to Monger nation. Thanks anyway!
So is the law a catch limit and not possession limit?????? Are you only allowed to catch a limit..... are you only allowed to keep a limit ......or are you only allowed to be in possession of a limit when stopped returning from a fishing trip? Was the person stopped on the water or in their vehicle. Guys betting a grand must be very sure of himself . Hmmmmmmmmmm but how can one really come to a true conclusion of who is correct. Maybe a call to Fish and Game. Better yet how about the deciding factor will be a photo copy of a summons of what an individual is charged with or better still how about a copy of the court summons and a paid receipt of the fine.
Yep looks like there will be one winner and one thousand dollar loser.

Jay 03-04-2013 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ol Pedro
Jay , lets try and get out for the Stripers this Spring . Enough of this I bet you crap . I've already been erased once on this thread . Lets go fishing . I'm suprised that the FG hasn't chined in as they monitor these sites .
Sounds like a plan Pedro, I see there cleaning up the thread which is understood.

codbuster 03-04-2013 06:51 PM
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Seabass is done now it's time for COD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tropics 03-04-2013 07:07 PM
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Okay if you fish for 2 days how many can you have if you get stopped?


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