Saltwater fishing license:

[dales529]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

There is a bunch more info out there explaining more how it works, as your pro active im sure you will find more info.
Those not really wanting to research it aren't going to care what is says.

states using the returns on the excise tax have done lots of good things with that money.
be nice to see that happen here.
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excise tax isn't new, its been around and had been appropriated .
But with current laws in effect since 08 there are many more checks and balances to make sure its used right .
IMO even if we only get a TRUE return of 50 % with the other 50 % wasted, its still a lot more than getting nothing .

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I will dig deeper into it and thanks

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by dales529

Going back to the Original Poster Andy S this was discussed by the Federation of Sportsman club which is as he stated are regular Hunters and Fisherman . There is nothing from the Governor, NJ state legislature or NJ Fish and Wildlife on any pending SW or ALL water License. Lets keep the conspiracy theories to a minimum.

IF an ALL water license was introduced and it was grandfathered into the existing FW system for allocating funds directly to fisheries I may support that action.
We are however witnessing how any branch of government can take appropriated funds from one action to another if they decide.

Thanks Dan for the excise tax link. its important information

Last time this came up I believe it was during the election cycle for Chrisite's 2nd term so 2014... My read on it was they got the NJDEP to start socializing it, people in our state threw up all over it and since it was during an election cycle and it was getting so much opposition, the politicians ran from for fear of losing votes so it did not go through.

Timing and players are totally different right now and if it were to come up again, I think the current administration would support it.. They have another 3 years in office and seem to have no problem with grabbing more money from us and in 3 years they'll hope we all forget...

Dan brings up a a good point and if we could get back a dollar from the feds for every dollar we put in a license, I might reconsider....I'd have to be convinced that the money will be spent on things we think would benefit us and, it wouldn't have a detrimental effect on the people who fish occasionally and the businesses that cater to them...

[1captainron]

Thanks for opening Murphy's eyes to a nice Pot of gold! Does anyone here actually TRUST any Gov official in this State? New found money, a nice new tax that will just be pilfered like every thing else.

Common guys , sounds like vasaline sales will be up again this year!!!

[Capt Sal]

Like Shrimpman posted -Where would they build the ramps? Here in Florida the ramps are built on state bought land. We also have free beaches ad rest rooms with cabanas and showers.Not the whole state but alot of it. I don't think this could ever happen in NJ because almost all of the land is private.There are National and County Parks but very few places for ramps.Ramps are only part of the problem. Where would they spend the rest of the money?If i am not mistaken they wanted to take the money and put it into the agriculture category the last time this came up.All the Party and charter boats that fish in NY waters have to have a NY lic. and the money went into the general fund.I think it would add extra cost to all for hire vessels and make them purchase a lic. to cover there customers.What the heck-All for hire capts are makin a fortune anyway lol

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by Capt Sal

Like Shrimpman posted -Where would they build the ramps? Here in Florida the ramps are built on state bought land. We also have free beaches ad rest rooms with cabanas and showers.Not the whole state but alot of it. I don't think this could ever happen in NJ because almost all of the land is private.There are National and County Parks but very few places for ramps.Ramps are only part of the problem. Where would they spend the rest of the money?If i am not mistaken they wanted to take the money and put it into the agriculture category the last time this came up.All the Party and charter boats that fish in NY waters have to have a NY lic. and the money went into the general fund.I think it would add extra cost to all for hire vessels and make them purchase a lic. to cover there customers.What the heck-All for hire capts are makin a fortune anyway lol

Sal, they look for small pieces and purchase them as fisherman access points.
It already being done here on the freshwater level.
Many access points have been purchased along major rivers and lots made for parking , to gain more access for fishing.

Not sure but maybe there is also a way for them to cover the fees charged at municipal ramps .

[SplitShot]

Hammer.... all your points are well intentioned to all of us here.... the problem is that our politicians are not your normal human beings thinking like we do.... when you mention free ramps, the only things “Free” to them are more giveaways from the $$$ all of us are putting into the system... we are just not in their agenda. sad but true

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by SplitShot

Hammer.... all your points are well intentioned to all of us here.... the problem is that our politicians are not your normal human beings thinking like we do.... when you mention free ramps, the only things “Free” to them are more giveaways from the $$$ all of us are putting into the system... we are just not in their agenda. sad but true

I agree anytime they can take money and put it somewhere else into their agenda they do EVERYTIME.

But money allotted through License sales as well as the returns on excise tax are now highly monitored, and protected by Federal law since 2008.

In actuality it is about the only thing they cant slide into the general budget here..


so IMO its money worth chasing.

If it wasn't protected I would agree with all those not in favor.

IMO if we don't give a number to the REAL amount of salt water fisherman we are going to continue to get the short end of the stick.


No politicians are going to ever care unless they see they could lose a major number of votes.

WE all know that they are only driven by votes and money.
and unlike the commercial sector recreational fisherman very rarely will reach onto their pockets to support their own fight ..
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[SplitShot]

Dan... you’re right on all points.... no argument here.... I guess just need to get to the “right” politician that thinks out of “THEIR” box..... and then maybe we’ll get somewhere . I know you feel like you’re beating your head against the wall trying to do the right thing and it’s totally frustrating

[blindalfred]

"But money allotted through License sales as well as the returns on excise tax are now highly monitored, and protected by Federal law since 2008". Captain Dan, do you have a source for more info about this law. This is at the center of this issue for most posting to this thread. Thanks.

[Charlie B]

We already have the salt water registry. Why does that not count to show how many people fish saltwater for the purpose of getting the excise tax money? If it is because it is not a license the simple solution would be to rename it a license. Problem solved move on...Charlie