Another dead whale

[reason162]

Originally Posted by dales529

looks to me like the vaccine saved a lot of lives and credit to the last admin for pushing manufacture regardless of saying above.

The mRNA vaccine will go down as one of the singular achievements in medicine this century. And the speed in which it was developed - over 94% efficacy against severe illness and death...on a novel respiratory virus within months of its DNA published. Just a remarkable testament to the fact that we can still do things right in the science and tech sector, even if this country got an F on the political and social response.

[hammer4reel]

Problem today is each side of an argument only cherry pick the points that solidify their side while TOTALLY ingnoring the other points .

Sure the vaccines may have saved some . It didn’t slow the spread and still hasn’t . Many passing the virus that didn’t even know they had it .

And it’s proven the vaccine killed ten of thousands of young adults , that blew up their hearts . Many who didn’t get to choose due to their professions .(forced to take something they didn’t need )

We can make it mandatory to show a vaccine card to go into Mc Donald’s , but no ID necessary to vote .

It’s now about which narrative they want to push .

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[AndrewT]

Originally Posted by dales529

So whats your point exactly? I believe the science more than the last 6 years of government on this Covid issue. Time will tell on the whales.

My point is we were told by our govt we wouldn’t get sick if vaccinated and we wouldn’t transmit if vaccinated. Both turned out to be lies. Now it comes out that if you already had the virus, you’re better protected than with the vaccine. Remember all the commercials from NY State telling us the get vaccinated even if we already had the virus? I do. They were non stop. If you want to take their word that the vaccine saved a lot of people, that’s fine. I’ll take it with a grain of salt.

[AndrewT]

So whether it be vaccine studies or whale studies, if whoever does the studies wants “the science” to show one thing or another, they will. Perfect example is blaming the whale deaths on boat strikes. Let’s say they did ultimately die from boat strikes but before they were hit, they were blasted with sonar and became disoriented causing them to come to the surface and not be able to avoid the boats. If our NJ Government gets this information, what do you think they will blame the deaths on? The sonar of the boat strike?

It’s like blaming a subway for the death of someone who was pushed onto the tracks.

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by dales529

Its obviously concerning the amount of dead whales washing up on our NJ shores. Can not argue that the coincidence of wind farm/ sonar / pre construction doesn't play a role.

NOAA states Atlantic Coast 181 whale stranding's / deaths from 2016 to 2023 = 25 whale deaths per year. Block Island Wind was in 2016.

BUT: Court is still out on cause of each and every stranding's / deaths which are also happening in states without wind farms?

Sad that it ALWAYS has a political twist instead of science and an actual reason.
Most posts here are more politics than facts and I believe the science is not hijacked or weaponized but reduced to report for fear of fake news for either side.

Hate to see these magnificent creatures washing up like this but hope there are real answers not the political BS

Least amount of ship traffic is now during the winter .
Those ships are already more than likely large enough to be under the speed guidelines (above 65’)
Amount of whales in Nj is more than a normal 25 year period .
Info that many more whales and dolphins are dead floating offshore than those getting beached .
No slow down in the main possible cause .

Yet betting you see this info used to QUICKLY pass the law for the speed limit of 35’ boats and larger .
That’s where you will see it’s important to save the whales .


I have over 40 years in power distribution , power performance and ways to create it .
Off shore wind is the costliest , most unproductive source of power their is .
We need cleaner , cheaper made sources , and this is being sold as that . It’s not .
We have already polluted our lands and aquifers with run off from solar panels ..
So now where those solar farms are built guidelines are changing ..
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Next is the push for electric cars .
IF they started today 24/7 they can’t build a grid that supports half that need .
Let alone upgrade every single household to support one car let alone three or four . Enough areas to charge them etc .
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Concentration should be on things that can actually happen .
How about they actually let car manufacturers make cars that get 100 mpg.
Betting that technology is already available , but suppressed

[PaBeerGuy]

Originally Posted by AndrewT

My point is we were told by our govt we wouldn’t get sick if vaccinated and we wouldn’t transmit if vaccinated. Both turned out to be lies. Now it comes out that if you already had the virus, you’re better protected than with the vaccine. Remember all the commercials from NY State telling us the get vaccinated even if we already had the virus? I do. They were non stop. If you want to take their word that the vaccine saved a lot of people, that’s fine. I’ll take it with a grain of salt.

That's ridiculous ,the government never said we wouldn't get sick or transmit the disease if we got vaccinated. Only that it could prevent serious illness and death. State the facts please.

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by PaBeerGuy

That's ridiculous ,the government never said we wouldn't get sick or transmit the disease if we got vaccinated. Only that it could prevent serious illness and death. State the facts please.

Your incorrect . The vaccine was promoted as you wouldn’t get Covid , or transmit it .(Stop the spread was the theme)
When the proof was over welming that vaccinated people were getting it repeatedly the narrative changed to the individual wouldn’t become as Ill , and require hospitalization,
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Otherwise healthy young people would not have been forced to get a vaccine .

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[Capt Sal]

Just getting over it and it kicked my ass! Got my boosters and still got it. Did it keep me out of the hospital? I think this variant is not as strong and thank god i didn't get the first Covid! Lost quite a few friends and relatives in my age group. Any how THANKS CHINA!!!!

[AndrewT]

Originally Posted by PaBeerGuy

That's ridiculous ,the government never said we wouldn't get sick or transmit the disease if we got vaccinated. Only that it could prevent serious illness and death. State the facts please.

Get your head out of the sand, man. Here’s proof of the facts.

https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...ser=therecount

https://abc3340.com/amp/news/local/t...-19-fauci-says

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-2...-1726900?amp=1

[bbfisherman]

Back to the whale topic please. Unfortunately when they necropsy the dead whales they cannot tell whether they were deafened from previous sonar blasting. Why all of a sudden all these dead whales? A deaf whale will have trouble avoiding boat collisions and finding food. It's a fact sonar blasting is not good for marine mammals.