Fluke petition

[DMac]

Originally Posted by TwoDDs

DMac,

Can you shed any light on your conversation with Mr. Golden? Curious, if the Commissioner can arbitrarily over-rule the Council and if so, is there any precedence for that within NJF&W? I would think that internally, they're struggling with the concept that the Council went against their own Committee's recommendations, including the Bureau of Law Enforcement and and that they had to forego the typical and customary public commenting process, due to timing constraints.
Any insight would be appreciated.
Thanks.

Well obviously you did your research because you touched on many items covered during out discussion.

The commisioner must sign recommendation of council into law

During conversation there was a neutral tone and carefully worded responses to my points and questions.

There was an agreement between us that this will be very difficult for enforcement due to complication and previse measurement requirements.

Everything you mentioned was discussed as well as additional items as far as their stance they as a agency are not taking a position is what the general tone of conversation was. They just provide comment prior to council vote. Hope that answers what you were asking.

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by DMac

Well obviously you did your research because you touched on many items covered during out discussion.

The commisioner must sign recommendation of council into law

During conversation there was a neutral tone and carefully worded responses to my points and questions.

There was an agreement between us that this will be very difficult for enforcement due to complication and previse measurement requirements.

Everything you mentioned was discussed as well as additional items as far as their stance they as a agency are not taking a position is what the general tone of conversation was. They just provide comment prior to council vote. Hope that answers what you were asking.

Way to go Dmac and glad you're getting so involved!

Speaking of the council, we have 2 vacant positions that are unfilled, one from sportfish for and one from the public. I think it should be a priority to get those vacant seats filled so we have a more balanced council.

This from the State page

Marine Fisheries Council
Richard N. Herb, Acting Chair (Sportfish)
Dr. Eleanor Ann Bochenek (Public)
Dr. Patrick Donnelly (Sportfish)
Warren Hollinger (Del. Bay Shellfish Council)
Jeff Kaelin (Processor)
John J. Maxwell (Atl. Coast Shellfish Council)
Joe Rizzo (Commercial)
Robert R. Rush, Jr. (Sportfish)
Kevin Wark (Commercial)
Vacant (Public)
Vacant (Sportfish)

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by DMac

Well obviously you did your research because you touched on many items covered during out discussion.

The commisioner must sign recommendation of council into law

During conversation there was a neutral tone and carefully worded responses to my points and questions.

There was an agreement between us that this will be very difficult for enforcement due to complication and previse measurement requirements.

Everything you mentioned was discussed as well as additional items as far as their stance they as a agency are not taking a position is what the general tone of conversation was. They just provide comment prior to council vote. Hope that answers what you were asking.

Way to go Dmac and glad you're getting so involved! I didn't think the state was going to overturn the council decision but it seems that way and now you know for future reference what the states position is. Besides, that it could be a slipperier slope since now you have fewer paid people at the state level making choices instead of more people on the council who volunteer their time and will not do what might be convenient as far as the state is concerned.

A chess game for sure with a lot of moving parts.

Speaking of the council, we have 2 vacant positions that are unfilled, one from sportfish for and one from the public. I think it should be a priority to get those vacant seats filled and from people in different areas of our state so we have a more balanced council. People like you and me need people on the council we can talk to that represent our local interests.

This from the State page

Marine Fisheries Council
Richard N. Herb, Acting Chair (Sportfish)
Dr. Eleanor Ann Bochenek (Public)
Dr. Patrick Donnelly (Sportfish)
Warren Hollinger (Del. Bay Shellfish Council)
Jeff Kaelin (Processor)
John J. Maxwell (Atl. Coast Shellfish Council)
Joe Rizzo (Commercial)
Robert R. Rush, Jr. (Sportfish)
Kevin Wark (Commercial)
Vacant (Public)
Vacant (Sportfish)

[DMac]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

Way to go Dmac and glad you're getting so involved! I didn't think the state was going to overturn the council decision but it seems that way and now you know for future reference what the states position is. Besides, that it could be a slipperier slope since now you have fewer paid people at the state level making choices instead of more people on the council who volunteer their time and will not do what might be convenient as far as the state is concerned.

A chess game for sure with a lot of moving parts.

Speaking of the council, we have 2 vacant positions that are unfilled, one from sportfish for and one from the public. I think it should be a priority to get those vacant seats filled and from people in different areas of our state so we have a more balanced council. People like you and me need people on the council we can talk to that represent our local interests.

This from the State page

Marine Fisheries Council
Richard N. Herb, Acting Chair (Sportfish)
Dr. Eleanor Ann Bochenek (Public)
Dr. Patrick Donnelly (Sportfish)
Warren Hollinger (Del. Bay Shellfish Council)
Jeff Kaelin (Processor)
John J. Maxwell (Atl. Coast Shellfish Council)
Joe Rizzo (Commercial)
Robert R. Rush, Jr. (Sportfish)
Kevin Wark (Commercial)
Vacant (Public)
Vacant (Sportfish)

Oh its not over yet im just moving up chain of command

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by DMac

Oh its not over yet im just moving up chain of command

Great and glad you're committed and don't rely on just typing something here to get your opinions and points across. Lots of people read this board but until someone with enough courage and passion takes the initiative to speak up to the people making the decisions, it's just wasted motion.

You go Dmac!

[TwoDDs]

Originally Posted by DMac

Oh its not over yet im just moving up chain of command

Curious if there's been any new developments, as NJF&W has yet to post any regulations to their website and the start of the season is less than two weeks away, assuming it's the season that the Council approved.
Thanks.

[AndyS]

On Saturday March 19th CPO Woerner inspected a commercial fishing vessel in Point Pleasant, Ocean County, upon its return from a summer flounder trip. During the inspection, CPO Woerner documented an overage of 374 pounds of summer flounder landed by the vessel. Summonses were issued for the overage, and the case will be heard in court in April. From the March 2022 Bureau of Law Enforcement Report to the Fish and Game Council.