New York Times: "Fish seek cooler waters"

[Joey Dah Fish]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

As the NYT article pointed out, the question is no longer whether global climate change is affecting the fish populations of any given area, and is now centered on what to do about it from a regulatory standpoint. US Senators Blumenthal and Murphy of Connecticut, in a letter to the acting IG of the Commerce Department, stated that fishermen in CT are experiencing “extreme financial hardship [because the regulations are outdated]." They went on to "request that your office investigate how the current system impacts the region’s fishermen and whether the structure should be reformed to bring quota allocations in line with current data on actual fish population distribution,” and concluded “As species of fish move north, the allocation levels should migrate with them.”
Addressing a problem using all of the available information looks like simple common sense to me.

Now that just ridiculous the government can change global warming and it's results by regulations and oh yeah taxes.

[reason162]

Originally Posted by Joey Dah Fish

Now that just ridiculous the government can change global warming and it's results by regulations and oh yeah taxes.

The point of the article is that fish migration patterns are corresponding to climate change, and so the "senseless regulations" everyone complains about should take into account new migratory patterns, ie NC shouldn't have their traditional massive BSB allocations bc the biomass of BSB is now off the NJ coast.

Everyone, please, for the love of god, stop viewing every goddamned thing through your partisan lens. This is about incorporating new data ---- incontrovertible, scientific data ---- into current fisheries regulations to improve the overall framework. Denying reality doesn't keep it from affecting your world; it's real whether you believe it or not.

[njmultispecies]

People are right in saying the commercial fishing industry has been killing fish populations. But, let us not forget that climate change is happening and it is because of humans.

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by Joey Dah Fish

Now that just ridiculous the government can change global warming and it's results by regulations and oh yeah taxes.

Governments can and do address man-made global climate change and its results by first acknowledging the clear scientific evidence that it exists, and then by eliminating or reducing what's causing it. "Regulations and oh yeah taxes" have historically worked in matters like national security, transportation, and infrastructure, and along with industry incentives to research & develop sustainable energy, will gradually lessen our dependence on the fossil fuels producing the greenhouse gases responsible for climate change. The other option is to deny irrefutable science and do nothing until it's too late.

[bulletbob]

Oh brother.. Look, throughout my lifetime, and as far back as anyone can remember, when the water temp in the NY Bight was around 40 degrees give or take a degree or two, there were Cod, Whiting, Ling, Mackerel in the ocean, and flounder in the estuaries all for the catching... They are gone.. It NOT because warmer water temps have "altered the migration patterns".. thats BULLSHIT.
They aren't up north either, so how is temperature dictating anything?.. they were caught and eaten in one way or another until the populations declined badly... The only "warming" that killed the huge stocks we once enjoyed of multiple species, is the heat under a friggin' frying pan full of foaming butter....
bob

[reason162]

Originally Posted by bulletbob

They are gone.. It NOT because warmer water temps have "altered the migration patterns".. thats BULLSHIT.

Climate change and overfishing are not mutually exclusive factors on current fish stocks. What is so hard to understand about that?

Some species are overfished, some species are changing migratory patterns, and many are subject to both. Whoever said this was an either/or proposition? Certainly not the author of the times article.

[NoLimit]

This study is BS. If fish moved because of a degree or two, they wouldn't travel hundreds of miles. They could move a few miles to different depths. Also we see far huger swings in water temp with wind direction . Don't tell me fish are going to move hundreds of miles from the Rocks when wind shifts from west to south.

Delete this fake science BS thread. Some bureaucrat is cooking up another boondoggle and we should not be giving it any credence.

[NoLimit]

Originally Posted by reason162

When the people most affected by climate change deny the science, what more is there to say? If you don't like the data, it's flawed. The nytimes is skewed. Scientists have agendas, just like oil/gas conglomerates have agendas.

This country is screwed.

No we don't like the phoney surface temp readings that you Leftists always "adjust" to figure out new ways to tax us. Satellite datas the measure the whole atmospheric column prove there is no warming.

[NoLimit]

Originally Posted by reason162

The point of the article is that fish migration patterns are corresponding to climate change, and so the "senseless regulations" everyone complains about should take into account new migratory patterns, ie NC shouldn't have their traditional massive BSB allocations bc the biomass of BSB is now off the NJ coast.

Everyone, please, for the love of god, stop viewing every goddamned thing through your partisan lens. This is about incorporating new data ---- incontrovertible, scientific data ---- into current fisheries regulations to improve the overall framework. Denying reality doesn't keep it from affecting your world; it's real whether you believe it or not.

It's spelled "God" and your "incontrovertible" data is a malicious fraud.

[NoLimit]

This is a good explanation of the global warming fraud. The left is pushing this to establish a new "carbon" tax. Canada has just passed it but thank God we are taking a different direction. There is a lot of info here but if you look at just one thing, look at the weather stations that are used to measure temps. In the past 80 years they have been surrounded by asphalt, airports, etc. http://www.weathertrends360.com/Blog...LOBAL-WAR-2849