73 million dollars ?

[dales529]

here is one from a non partisan entity on Illegals tax payments to the general treasury fund no one wants to admit.

https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by reason162

How about identifying waste/fraud, providing evidence for it, and then passing a budget to cut it out - GOP controls both houses of Congress as well as the executive after all.

That's exactly what DOGE is doing, identifying waste, fraud and senseless spending. Washington hasn't balanced the Federal budget since 1969. The House passed the 2025 budget on 9/25/24, just days before the end of FY 2024 on 9/30/24 and the beginning of FY 2025 on October 1. Are you suggesting Trump sit on his hands until the 2026 budget is passed this upcoming September before looking into the massive amount of fraud and corruption which resides in Washington? The budget we're operating under was signed off on by a Congress where the Dems controlled the Senate and had the White House, let's not forget that. And while we're on the subject, why have countless requests by the House Ways and Means Committee and the Senate Oversight Committee about how taxpayer funds were being spent by USAID been completely ignored by management if there's nothing to hide.

Originally Posted by reason162

But no, let's stop funding across the board first, and reverse items piecemeal as shit hits the fan. That's how things work in America now under Musk/Trump.

Trump has been in office for three weeks, he's doing exactly what he told the people who voted him in he'd do. I don't think anyone can or should be judged based on their actions of three weeks but it seems based on the latest CNN ultra liberal poll, 70% of Americans agree with his actions out of the gates which is one reason why, and let's be honest here, the Democratic Party is losing their minds.

Originally Posted by reason162

And people who don't understand the purpose of USAID - it's called soft power, and I promise you the Chinese understand what that is and how to use it. We're giving up entire spheres of influence for chump change. Americans should care about that even if they don't care about helping people and saving lives.

There's a difference between soft power and influence peddling and outright wasteful ridiculous spending. Or we can ask the Biden family that question who seems to have influence peddling down to a science. How about we give the current administration time to institute the changes 77 million American voters voted them into office to make. If you believe the Chinese are that far ahead of the US in International Governance, I'm sure there's plenty of places in Wuhan for rent.

[Fishguy1]

Originally Posted by dales529

Not so easy as with the partisan nature one link source would be debated from another. Should not be that way but is so hard and the reluctance to post links.
Open to your ideas or a source you think would work?
I hope its not one side vs the other as their is a common goal

CREDIBLE sources. So, with a big grain of salt, mainstream media. Who, unfortunately and in an ever increasing way, have their own implicit bias. Fox "News" being one of the worst offenders but I would categorize all mainstream media in that way. (CNBC is bizarro Fox)
There are independent news outlets if you look for them, just fact check them as best you can. The good ones provide links to back up their reporting. The bad ones don't and the batshit crazy ones provide little if any information to substantiate their claims.

[dales529]

Originally Posted by Broad Bill

That's exactly what DOGE is doing, identifying waste, fraud and senseless spending. Washington hasn't balanced the Federal budget since 1969. The House passed the 2025 budget on 9/25/24, just days before the end of FY 2024 on 9/30/24 and the beginning of FY 2025 on October 1. Are you suggesting Trump sit on his hands until the 2026 budget is passed this upcoming September before looking into the massive amount of fraud and corruption which resides in Washington? The budget we're operating under was signed off on by a Congress where the Dems controlled the Senate and had the White House, let's not forget that. And while we're on the subject, why have countless requests by the House Ways and Means Committee and the Senate Oversight Committee about how taxpayer funds were being spent by USAID completely ignored by management if there's nothing to hide.

Trump has been in office for three weeks, he's doing exactly what he told the people who voted him in he'd do. I don't think anyone can or should be judged based on their actions of three weeks but it seems based on the latest CNN ultra conservative poll, 70% of Americans agree with his actions out of the gates which is one reason why, and let's be honest here, the Democratic Party is losing their minds.

There's a difference between soft power and influence peddling and outright wasteful ridiculous spending. Or we can ask the Biden family that question who seems to have influence peddling down pat. How about we give the current administration time to institute the changes 77 million American voters voted them into office to make. If you believe the Chinese are that far ahead of the US in International Governance, I'm sure there's plenty of places in Wuhan for rent.

Actually not true:
Bill Cilnton in 1998 had the federal budget balanced and a surplus of approx 70 billion.

57% of Americans agree with trump 1st 3 weeks but to your point it was 70% but 13% got deported so some buyers remorse there! Just kidding its 57% not bad

Think the democrats are certainly regretting some failed strategy but no one is losing their minds. Maybe they shouldn't have forced some senators to resign like AL Franken over a picture while republicans vote in an actual felon who screams law and order and then pardons insurrectionists that the founding fathers would have executed day 1.

Why bring up Wuhan rentals? makes no sense to his point?

Again why cant people be people and not labeled. I had some great years in business GWB, Obama (sweet years) Trump 1st term but my best was last year under Biden. As a business owner neither of them had anything to do with it mainly but the economy has been thriving since 2012, you just have to ingore politics and place your money where the economy dictates

[dales529]

Originally Posted by Fishguy1

CREDIBLE sources. So, with a big grain of salt, mainstream media. Who, unfortunately and in an ever increasing way, have their own implicit bias. Fox "News" being one of the worst offenders but I would categorize all mainstream media in that way. (CNBC is bizarro Fox)
There are independent news outlets if you look for them, just fact check them as best you can. The good ones provide links to back up their reporting. The bad ones don't and the batshit crazy ones provide little if any information to substantiate their claims.

Thanks always try and agree with you:
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

[AndyS]

I had to look up what an "undocumented immigrant" was:

An undocumented immigrant is a foreign-born person who is in the United States without legal status. This can be due to entering the country without inspection, staying longer than their visa permitted, or violating the terms of their admission.
Examples of undocumented immigrants
Entered without inspection
Someone who crossed the border without interacting with a U.S. border agent
Overstayed visa
Someone who stayed in the country after their visa expired or after their "duration of status" date
DACA recipients
People who have been granted temporary reprieve from deportation through the DACA program

[june181901]

I hope this is not inappropriate but the subject of $73 million is just about the amount of money the athletic department of Rutgers, The State University declared as a shortfall for this year.
Maybe Musk could find a few hours to spare in New Brunswick and reduce that deficit! That is our NJ taxpayers' dollars being wasted! Sad state of affairs!

[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by dales529

Actually not true:
Bill Clinton in 1998 had the federal budget balanced and a surplus of approx 70 billion.

57% of Americans agree with trump 1st 3 weeks but to your point it was 70% but 13% got deported so some buyers remorse there! Just kidding its 57% not bad

Think the democrats are certainly regretting some failed strategy but no one is losing their minds. Maybe they shouldn't have forced some senators to resign like AL Franken over a picture while republicans vote in an actual felon who screams law and order and then pardons insurrectionists that the founding fathers would have executed day 1.

Why bring up Wuhan rentals? makes no sense to his point?

Again why cant people be people and not labeled. I had some great years in business GWB, Obama (sweet years) Trump 1st term but my best was last year under Biden. As a business owner neither of them had anything to do with it mainly but the economy has been thriving since 2012, you just have to ignore politics and place your money where the economy dictates

You're correct about Clinton. The article I referenced was written in 1998 which didn't include Clinton's 1998 surplus budget. Doesn't change my point that the US Government has delivered a balanced budget only twice in the past 50 years based on an article written in 2023. Once in 1969 under Johnson and again in 2001 under Clinton. My point remains, government spending and fiscal responsibility is out of control by both parties. Link attached.

https://www.marketplace.org/2023/02/...ederal-budget/

Read the attached article. Based on the CNN poll I referenced, Trump has a 53% approval rating but 70% of Americans believe Trump is following through on his campaign ratings which is what I posted. This is a CNN poll titled "CNN’s Harry Entin stunned by Trump’s high approval ratings: ‘Whoa, whoa, whoa!’" Link attached.

https://nypost.com/2025/02/10/media/...roval-ratings/

Not going to dignify your third point with a response. If that's your opinion lets just agree we have much different views in that respect.

Yeah it actually does. My response to Reason's post is it certainly sounds like he favors China's governance more than this current administration after three weeks in office which is certainly his prerogative. I completely disagree. If someone favors or approves of China's governance over this administration, they might consider a relocation. My reference to Wuhan is things aren't always what they appear and I think we all know what happened with COVID, where it originated and how millions of lives world wide were lost to a complete cover up by China and our own government. Fauci testified under oath during his congressional hearing there was no funding of the Wuhan gain of function research, changed it to I believe $600k only to find out taxpayer dollars were being funneled through the NIH and USAID to the tune of multiple millions of dollars funding that research. Link attached

https://nypost.com/2023/06/14/us-tax...-wuhan-report/

And if you want to talk about pardons, Biden pardons Fauci, Hunter, his entire family and everyone involved with the Jan 6 committee. Do you actually pardon people who did nothing wrong? Don't think so, sort of makes one wonder don't you think?

Agree with your last point. There's only so much government can control or impact involving the economy. The world is too interconnected. But the president and Congress can control spending which has been out of control for most of our lives. At least the current administration is trying to correct that and for once do what's right for the American people as opposed to playing politics and doing what's right for their own net worth.

[Broad Bill]

Gerry I agree with you on this one. Politics have no place on a fishing website. It detracts from the purpose of the site and most posts represent unsubstantiated opinion versus facts which serves no point. My vote would be to end it before it gets out of hand regardless of how many clicks it generates. I should have stayed on the sidelines on this one.

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by dales529

here is one from a non partisan entity on Illegals tax payments to the general treasury fund no one wants to admit.

https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

Really ?
It’s been a crime to hire undocumented immigrants since 1986 (actually do some research)
So you’re saying millions of employers are breaking that law and documenting it?

More than likely the real numbers come from immigrants who are legally working here .Yet another article to try and justify the bullshit caused by our open borders .

Just an FYI, the VIEW isn’t a news station . Lol

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