NJ 2024 and 2025 Fluke Regulations Decided

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by Andycw

The 2024 regs in NY are 18 1/2” and 4 fish and NJ’s are 18” and 3 fish. How does that work let alone, make sense?

Thanks, Andy

Their size minimum is larger than ours so they get an additional fish.

[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

Their size minimum is larger than ours so they get an additional fish.

You're correct but it shows how out of control these models are and the assumptions behind them. NY, especially eastern NY / Montauk, holds on average larger fish but that's not how these models supposedly work. Having a larger size minimum means potentially less fish retained to your point but it also means many more smaller fish will die from discard mortality in the process of harvesting larger specimens. For argument sake, let NJ go to 20" and we should be allowed to retain 6 fish a day which will benefit some and hurt most but the season or bag limit should be increased substantially. And that's before consideration is given to gender issues relative to harvesting larger fish.

[dales529]

Another reason:
Since NY and NJ are no longer regionalized with good reason NY can select the best option for their state passed down from ASMFC and MAMFC as we did here in NJ.
This is what people wanted states choosing their own regulations. I agree on fish not so much on other issues but thats a whole other issue not for here.

[hartattack]

Originally Posted by Andycw

The 2024 regs in NY are 18 1/2” and 4 fish and NJ’s are 18” and 3 fish. How does that work let alone, make sense?
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Thanks, Andy

Those are 2023 NY regs. The 2024, 2025 NY options are listed below. NY is also compelled to have a 28% fluke recreational decrease like all Atlantic states.
Also the difference in NY/NJ fluke bag limits began in 2019 when NJ was penalized 1 fluke when we went out of compliance with ASFMC guidelines.....



The NY options for 2024-2025 recreational summer flounder, that will achieve the required 28% reduction are:​

Possession and Size Limit Open Season
Option 1 3 fish at 19 inches May 1 - Sept. 8
Option 2 3 fish at 19 inches May 5 - Sept. 14
Option 3 3 fish at 19 inches May 17 - Sept. 20
Option 4 3 fish at 19 inches May 1 - July 24
and
Aug. 4 - Oct. 9
Option 5 4 fish at 19.5 inches April 1 - Oct. 31
Option 6 3 fish at 18.5 inches June 12 - Aug. 28

[frugalfisherman]

19 inches in Raritan Bay is a lot tougher than 19 inches in Montauk.

[reelfitter]

We can all sit here and throw statistics,models, charts,data,etc ect etc. The real problem is the commercial sector. You cannot sweep the Ocean floor with trawl nets and expect anything to recover. I seen it for years in the Chesapeake with the Blue Crabs. Once the commercial guy figured out he could dredge Crabs from the mud in the “dormant” season, they wiped em out. The Crabs never got a break. Until the commercial guys are regulated better, your pissing in the wind.