Offshore wind farms

[NoLimit]

Originally Posted by AndyS

These use lube oil not rainbows and unicorn farts, you know that right ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5COAi6KM8o

[NoLimit]

Originally Posted by tautog

All the dead sea bird bits are great chum downwind of the turbines.

Exactly - everyone screaming about fracking fluid which has not harmed a single thing and meanwhile, these windmills are killing 35 million birds a year. PLUS the windmills (and solar and electric cars) are all heavily subsidized. Finally, the windmills dont work when power is most needed - at night and during the coldest days of winter. http://www.windaction.org/

Originally Posted by NoLimit

Exactly - everyone screaming about fracking fluid which has not harmed a single thing and meanwhile, these windmills are killing 35 million birds a year. PLUS the windmills (and solar and electric cars) are all heavily subsidized. Finally, the windmills dont work when power is most needed - at night and during the coldest days of winter. http://www.windaction.org/

What's your source if you don't mind sharing for 35 million birds killed by windfarms? Ocean have become the worlds largest dumping grounds. Plastic alone kills million of mammals and marine life a year not to mention pollution, ocean dumping etc. Read this article, estimates 100 million marine animals a year killed due to all kinds of pollution. Numbers are staggering, don't know if 100 million is an underestimate or over but any numbers you read about are large.

https://www.condorferries.co.uk/mari...atistics-facts

1.35 million people die a year in car crashes but we didn't outlaw cars. Don't think anyone will ever care about wildlife when it comes to agriculture or energy. There's going to be consequences unfortunately but if we don't start taking care of this planet, bird kills from windfarms will be the least of our concerns. And this from someone who has a soft spot in his heart for natural resources and wild life. Just think we need to face reality at some point and make some tough decisions hopefully based on facts to stop exploiting and damaging this planet.

[PortlyRedhead]

Originally Posted by NoLimit

Exactly - everyone screaming about fracking fluid which has not harmed a single thing and meanwhile, these windmills are killing 35 million birds a year. PLUS the windmills (and solar and electric cars) are all heavily subsidized. Finally, the windmills dont work when power is most needed - at night and during the coldest days of winter. http://www.windaction.org/

Fracking fluids have ruined groundwater for thousands of Americans.

Cold winter days and nights on the ocean are typically windy.

[Capt. Debbie]

Why would windmills not work at night and winter?

Also isn't electrical demand higher in the day time and summers? I worked for 22 years at PSE&G and all time high MW records were all day times on weekdays and A/C months. Winter is when most generating stations did extended outages.

The problem with windmills is you cant store it from weekend generation when demand is low and move the stored electricity to week days. PSE&G tried battery storage in the 1980's at BEST facility in Hillsboro and it was big flop. They also had Merrill Creek Project which was pumped storage. Pump up reservoir at night and weekends and save for discharge thru hydro powered generation weekdays.

Back then they also thought nuke generation would be stored nights and weekends and was was supposed to be " Too cheap to meter". Funny!

Originally Posted by NoLimit

Exactly..... Finally, the windmills dont work when power is most needed - at night and during the coldest days of winter. http://www.windaction.org/

[acabtp]

the yards creek pumped hydro facility has been banking power since the 60s out in blairstown, 420 megawatts max output. pretty impressive but you never hear anything about it, most people don't know it even exists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yards_...rating_Station
would need a whole lot more facilities like this in the long term to be able to utilize more renewable power

[NoLimit]

[QUOTE=PortlyRedhead;565589]Fracking fluids have ruined groundwater for thousands of Americans.

That is absolutely not true. In fact there has never been a trace of fracking fluid found in any water supply. It is 99.99% sand and water. https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/...-kay-melchior/

[NoLimit]

Originally Posted by dakota560

What's your source if you don't mind sharing for 35 million birds killed by windfarms? Ocean have become the worlds largest dumping grounds. Plastic alone kills million of mammals and marine life a year not to mention pollution, ocean dumping etc. Read this article, estimates 100 million marine animals a year killed due to all kinds of pollution.

So you’re saying Let’s Kill Some More? Where’s the mute button on this thing?! I get enough Lefty propaganda and don’t need it here. https://www.masterresource.org/cuisi...altamont-pass/

[hammer4reel]

Both wind farms and solar are short based fixes (a bandaid )
They have a life expectancy of under 25 years .
At the end of the 25 years their structures are incredibly toxic to the environment .
Wind farm reconstruction doesn’t happen as it’s not cost effective .
Solar panels aren’t allowed to be sent to dumps , fields they were installed in are never to produce food again .

We are just replacing one toxin with another .


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[acabtp]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

Solar panels aren’t allowed to be sent to dumps , fields they were installed in are never to produce food again .

We are just replacing one toxin with another .


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Huh, so solar panels ruin the ground forever??? That's a new one for me! Source?