Where the heck are the Fluke?

[reason162]

Originally Posted by Billfish715

All I hear is crickets when it comes to explain the current excellent seabass fishing. Is the good fishing because of climate change as well?

Pretty much, yes: https://youtu.be/pgrWEHfNV6Y

[courbeco]

Originally Posted by Castaway

Would these happen to be the same scientists that have been telling us for years now that the seabass stocks are down?

They may be the same scientists that changed the "Global Warming" label to the current "Climate Change" label..... Climate change has nothing to do with the non-existing fluke bite. This isn't the first time fluking in June sucked....!

[bulletbob]

Originally Posted by reason162

Pretty much, yes: https://youtu.be/pgrWEHfNV6Y

Bullshit.. Sea Bass fishing in southern New England has been good for as long as I have been alive.. Its also good in virginia and the carolinas where the water is always warm.. they live as far south as Florida and the gulf of mexico, ALWAYS have, and as far north as Maine, always have..

Honestly, have you been watching the reports here for the past several years?.. Black sea Bass are very abundant here in the NY Bight, in southern NE where they are caught right alongside Hake, Cod and Haddock, and down the coast well into the carolinas where they are caught right alongside tropical Groupers and Snappers... Any fish with wide distribution , and big populations will expand range at times.. Whiting for decades were as far south as delaware.. Why? because they were abundant in the extreme, and expanded their range a bit.. When the population dropped off to nothing, they were no longer common in the southern part of their range, .. thats the way its always been.. Fluke and Black Sea Bass are not ""moving north""... bob

[GDubya07]

All I know is that they are not in the ocean right now or they might be there and just not biting or try the rivers ???

Colder water, to much rain, not enough bait, maybe wherever they are at they have a good food source so why leave, climate change , global warming or just plain being lazy. Maybe somebody just keeps scooping them up ??? It is just an opinion and we all got one just like the good Ol' balloon knot-

Cats and dogs sleeping together - Mass Hysteria - quote from Dr. Peter Venkman from the original Ghostbusters circa. 1984

They aint biting , Tuna, seabass ( till Saturday ) Ling and winter flounder are doing pretty good though with a sprinkle of whiting

If you have the means and the time just get out in fish if you can

E.L.E

Catchum Up

GDubs-

[the directa]

Still only June give it some time 90 degree sunny days and warmer water is fluke time

[Detour66]

The Fluke are here. You just have to know where and how. One of my friends has caught over 50 keepers and many shorts. They are just not in the traditional places we caught them in the past this time of year. I think once the water clears up from all the rain and warms up a bit it will be good fishing. Till then it's a waiting game!

[reason162]

Originally Posted by bulletbob

Bullshit..

Lol sure bob, I'll take your word for it over peer reviewed studies.

If only science were bullshit, all of us can just armchair ourselves into new discoveries, medicine, technology...why even bother with the process? All that schooling and training and data collecting/modeling...what a waste of time!

[stripedbass]

In the water.

[bulletbob]

Originally Posted by reason162

Lol sure bob, I'll take your word for it over peer reviewed studies.

If only science were bullshit, all of us can just armchair ourselves into new discoveries, medicine, technology...why even bother with the process? All that schooling and training and data collecting/modeling...what a waste of time!

it IS a waste of time.. Just ask the captains and the anglers that hire them.. they have always been caught down south AND up north, and will be after you and I are stardust..

[dales529]

Originally Posted by bulletbob

it IS a waste of time.. Just ask the captains and the anglers that hire them.. they have always been caught down south AND up north, and will be after you and I are stardust..

In actuality Bob many for hire captains from Va to NC commented at the ASMFC council meetings on the northward migration of both Fluke and Black Seabass leaving their areas diminished of normal stocks ocean side. in doing so they requested an ease to their regulations due to under harvest of these fish compared to the northern areas. While they still have a small fishery it is nothing compared to what they are used to and again their words:"due to the obvious northward migrations of significant bodies of fish" They also asked for stricter regulations to the areas that have received this northward migration.

Call it whatever you want but nature has moved north and they just react (no opinion or science required) However both science and Captains on the water have stated the same and it is part of all regulations discussions going forward

Its obvious as well that LI, RI , MA , and even Nova Scotia have a thriving fluke fishery compared to NJ and we even more those south of us.

While I believe we here in NJ still have and will have a great Fluke fishery. Already have back a great Sea bass fishery its clear to me that fish are migrating more north than the typical east / west and southern species are now here in our waters.

"Climate Change" to those willing to listen is more about the acceleration of change to conditions that normally change over a significant longer period of time. Nature is reacting to this acceleration regardless of human acceptance.
Doesn't mean we still don't have winter or cold water just means shit is changing faster than ever before and nature gets it!