FISHERMEN/Easterly Flow.......Say goodbye to the last of the Fluke season!!!

[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by bunker dunker

ok if you are all on board that the amounts that are given are "good enough". Than why are we where we are? Money talks bs walks, that my friends is American business 101.

Politics in general and political and corporate greed. Money isn't being spent for the intended purpose to preserve the resources and make sure the same resources are equitably allocated between commercial and recreational interests. That's politics 101. These agencies for a large part are being funded by recreational spending but decisions being made are not for the long term benefit of the fishery and both sectors equally.

NMFS doesn't give a shit about how many fish recs catch, they care about how many trips we make and money spent for those trips. It's called fishing effort. For commercials, they're concerned about catch value, maximize the value of commercial catch which means targeting larger more valuable fish without consideration of the damage being done to the overall stock. As long as that continues being their focus, the fishery will continue it's decline until it's been so impaired it'll take decades if ever to recover.

From 2002 to 2017, commercial ex vessel values have remained the same or higher while New Jersey's recreational regulations have gone from 8 fish @ 16 1/2 to 3 @ 18. Why? Size limits have been used to move a significant portion of the stock to the exclusive harvest of the commercial sector to sustain catch values by harvesting larger more valuable breeders while the rec's have funded their fortunes by taking it on the chin every year. We spend money, catch and release for most of the season only for those same fish to end up in the super market or restaurants later in the year while younger juveniles get slaughtered in the process. You want a definition of insanity, there it is.

[bunker dunker]

so what are you saying,the gov loves comm more than rec???please save that bs for someone else.the gov is were the money is not were the people are.look
around its not just fishing.the gov needs a return plain and simple.

[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by bunker dunker

so what are you saying,the gov loves comm more than rec???please save that bs for someone else.the gov is were the money is not were the people are.look
around its not just fishing.the gov needs a return plain and simple.

What I'm saying is decisions made by agencies reporting directly up under the Secretary of Commerce as it relates to fisheries management will always favor commercial interests and the economic impacts of those decisions versus recreation interests and preservation of natural resources. If you believe that's BS, we're all entitled to our opinions.

[dales529]

All great stuff here but again look who is responding to this thread:
Capt Ron, BB, BD, me and H4R Dan Same as before and not exactly an army but a fox hole happy to share with you all going forward.

Wont get the job done though

[bunker dunker]

its all about results Dales.people give and give and give and still the same old stuff.some people give even though the could use their monies elsewhere.this is
just another case of our government{state&fed}doing whats best for them.you can use big words,long stories and facts but its still the same old stuff.its a simple case of mind over matter,they don't mind and you know the rest.

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by bunker dunker

its all about results Dales.people give and give and give and still the same old stuff.some people give even though the could use their monies elsewhere.this is
just another case of our government{state&fed}doing whats best for them.you can use big words,long stories and facts but its still the same old stuff.its a simple case of mind over matter,they don't mind and you know the rest.

While I agree with a. If portion of this
Saying people give and give is straight bullshit.

98% of the guys don’t do shit , including many actually
In the business.
They expect everyone else to do it for them .

Only way to change things is to sue them
That takes money,

We can’t even get guys on board to have a 2 dollar salt water license to get an actual accounting on the amount of people using the fishery.


Time arguing here is wasted time also

Take the same time and write the manufactures asking why all the money they send the ASA isn’t being used to protect the fishery.

Maybe then they would forcefully ask wth is actually being done with the huge amounts of money .

[bunker dunker]

how do you know hammer???do you know everybody.look around things are going south in a lot of places.you tell me you know but still the same stuff.i will not and can not speak for everyone but i can see what is important to the man and what is not.when you can treat Veterans like a piece of S%^T what makes you think they care even a little about the recreational peeps.

[bunker dunker]

the only shot we have is to vote and change this so called government.

[dales529]

Originally Posted by bunker dunker

the only shot we have is to vote and change this so called government.

Ed, You know I respect your service and dedication to our fisheries. The last thing this fight needs is selecting one government over the last or next as that has failed miserably since 2008. Many Governments have had their shot and all came up empty. It needs to be a united front of fishermen regardless of who they support and we just cant get there which is depressing.

[bunker dunker]

i could not agree more but where do we find the money????where do we draw the line????you and thousands of others have worked hard for decades and still
it goes the way of the almighty dollar.we have are own elected officials lie right to our faces???i am not being negative,i am simply stating fact.i do not want to hear about studies,research and quotas because that's all we have heard for years.fishing is a God given right but yet we still have to suffer???