A good read on Fluke

[Almaink]

New info on why the ice is melting in Greenland. Turns out Joni Mitchell was right, it's clouds not climate change.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ands-ice-loss/

[Down Deep Sportfishing]

Another news article from SNJ -

Posted: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:21 pm
By: RICHARD DEGENER, Staff Writer



STAFFORD TOWNSHIP _ Southern New Jersey anglers gave hearty support this week to a plan that would boost fluke fishing in the Delaware Bay.
A crowd of about 50 anglers showed up at the Thursday night meeting here at the municipal building on East Bay Avenue to give opinions on 2016 regulations for black sea bass, scup and fluke, which is also called summer flounder.

The most important question of the night was whether to support Option 2B of the fluke plan that would allow the New Jersey side of the Delaware Bay to compete with Delaware. This support now goes to the New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council when it makes decisions on 2016 fluke regulations in March.

The 2015 regulations for the New Jersey side of the bay included a minimum fish size of 18 inches, five fish per day, and a 128-day season.

In Delaware, Maryland and Virginia anglers were allowed a 16-inch fish, four fish a day and enjoyed a 365-day season. Option 2B would allow the New Jersey side to have a 17-inch fish, four fish a day and the 128-day season. It’s not equal to Delaware, but it is closer to parity.

A straw poll drew 37 votes for the option, including many anglers who don’t fish the Delaware but wanted to support fellow Garden State anglers to the south.

Frank Virgilio of the New Jersey State Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs, said marinas, bait & tackle shops, party boats and charter boats are going out of business on the bayshore because anglers fish out of Delaware instead of New Jersey. He said business is down 30 to 40 percent.

“This option is very important to the survival of the Delaware bayside,” said Virgilio.

Mike Rothman, a boat captain in Fortesque, Cumberland County, also pushed for the option noting anglers were crossing the bridge to Delaware to fish under more lenient regulations.

“You mention Delaware Bay fishing. I am Delaware Bay fishing. This is my livelihood and it’s catastrophic. We recently lost two (party) boats and three or four charter boats,” Rothman said.

A number of large fishing groups including United Boatman and the Jersey Coast Anglers Association gave their support.

“In 2015 people in southern New Jersey were treated unfairly. They were fishing the same waters as the people of Delaware yet we have an 18-inch size limit and they have 16 inches. We’re losing business to Delaware,” said JCAA President Paul Haertel.

Overall the fluke harvest is being reduced 29 percent due to poor recruitment of juvenile fish. The harvest is going from 23 million pounds to 16 million pounds. This is expected to mostly hurt the commercial fishing industry as their quota will be cut by that amount.

Recreational anglers in New Jersey did not come close to their harvest target last year. They were allowed 942,401 fish and only landed 485,170. The cuts would mean anglers could only land 738,404 fish this year but since that is above last year’s catch the same regulations will stay in place.

This includes an 18-inch fish, five fish a day and a 128-day season. The only exceptions would be the Delaware Bay if Option 2B is put in place and Island Beach State Park where surfcasters are allowed smaller fluke.

Anglers voted to support this management regime for 2016 only and want to revisit the issue before 2017. New Jersey under an earlier set of regulations where each state was managed separately got 39 percent of the East Coast fluke harvest. The new regime, with stocks managed on a coast-wide basis and New Jersey lumped in with New York and Connecticut, has reduced it to 33 percent.

Tom Fote, a representative on the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission from New Jersey, said it would be unrealistic to change back to the old system this year but he supported at least creating the Delaware Bay as a separate management region.

Toni Kerns, a manager with the ASMFC, said this year there is a Recreational Harvest Limit of 1.6 million fish for the whole coast and states are not managed individually.

“If the (ASMFC) goes back to state-by-state management in 2017 New Jersey would still have its 39 percent,” Kerns said.

Black sea bass catches were set to go up 20 percent this year from 2.33 million pounds to 2.8 million pounds but harvests through October were 1.19 million pounds over target and right now a 23-percent cut is called for against the 2.8 million pound quota.

The concern is anything landed in November and December will increase the cuts, and it was unseasonably warm those two months with a lot of fishing. Some fear cuts as high as 35 percent when those numbers come in.

Adam Nowalsky, a New Jersey representative on the ASMFC, said the final numbers will be out before a decision is made in February.

The scup catch limit is being reduced slightly but is still higher than recent landings.

Time to start thinking of whats coming down the pike in the weeks to come. This option 2B is BS . A few years back we gave up a few fish for a lower size limit mainly due to SNJ complaining. Fast forward, they are still asking again for a lower size limit to be sort of on par with Delaware. AGAIN BS. If we are going to play the dividing game, let the SNJ quota count against the Delaware allotment. I refuse to allow my allotment for the STATE OF NEW JERSEY to be filled faster by a lower size limit for my friends down south. I have no issue with the lower size limit for IBSP. These are families who vacation or visit and surf fish.


When NY had their higher size limit than NJ, did they make Raritan Bay one size? No, so lets not start this shyt now.

[1captainron]

ALL of NJ should be 16 inches!!!!
Guys up here are going out of business also.......

[Fish The Drop Off]

Originally Posted by Down Deep Fleet

Another news article from SNJ -

Posted: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:21 pm
By: RICHARD DEGENER, Staff Writer



STAFFORD TOWNSHIP _ Southern New Jersey anglers gave hearty support this week to a plan that would boost fluke fishing in the Delaware Bay.
A crowd of about 50 anglers showed up at the Thursday night meeting here at the municipal building on East Bay Avenue to give opinions on 2016 regulations for black sea bass, scup and fluke, which is also called summer flounder.

The most important question of the night was whether to support Option 2B of the fluke plan that would allow the New Jersey side of the Delaware Bay to compete with Delaware. This support now goes to the New Jersey Marine Fisheries Council when it makes decisions on 2016 fluke regulations in March.

The 2015 regulations for the New Jersey side of the bay included a minimum fish size of 18 inches, five fish per day, and a 128-day season.

In Delaware, Maryland and Virginia anglers were allowed a 16-inch fish, four fish a day and enjoyed a 365-day season. Option 2B would allow the New Jersey side to have a 17-inch fish, four fish a day and the 128-day season. It’s not equal to Delaware, but it is closer to parity.

A straw poll drew 37 votes for the option, including many anglers who don’t fish the Delaware but wanted to support fellow Garden State anglers to the south.

Frank Virgilio of the New Jersey State Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs, said marinas, bait & tackle shops, party boats and charter boats are going out of business on the bayshore because anglers fish out of Delaware instead of New Jersey. He said business is down 30 to 40 percent.

“This option is very important to the survival of the Delaware bayside,” said Virgilio.

Mike Rothman, a boat captain in Fortesque, Cumberland County, also pushed for the option noting anglers were crossing the bridge to Delaware to fish under more lenient regulations.

“You mention Delaware Bay fishing. I am Delaware Bay fishing. This is my livelihood and it’s catastrophic. We recently lost two (party) boats and three or four charter boats,” Rothman said.

A number of large fishing groups including United Boatman and the Jersey Coast Anglers Association gave their support.

“In 2015 people in southern New Jersey were treated unfairly. They were fishing the same waters as the people of Delaware yet we have an 18-inch size limit and they have 16 inches. We’re losing business to Delaware,” said JCAA President Paul Haertel.

Overall the fluke harvest is being reduced 29 percent due to poor recruitment of juvenile fish. The harvest is going from 23 million pounds to 16 million pounds. This is expected to mostly hurt the commercial fishing industry as their quota will be cut by that amount.

Recreational anglers in New Jersey did not come close to their harvest target last year. They were allowed 942,401 fish and only landed 485,170. The cuts would mean anglers could only land 738,404 fish this year but since that is above last year’s catch the same regulations will stay in place.

This includes an 18-inch fish, five fish a day and a 128-day season. The only exceptions would be the Delaware Bay if Option 2B is put in place and Island Beach State Park where surfcasters are allowed smaller fluke.

Anglers voted to support this management regime for 2016 only and want to revisit the issue before 2017. New Jersey under an earlier set of regulations where each state was managed separately got 39 percent of the East Coast fluke harvest. The new regime, with stocks managed on a coast-wide basis and New Jersey lumped in with New York and Connecticut, has reduced it to 33 percent.

Tom Fote, a representative on the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission from New Jersey, said it would be unrealistic to change back to the old system this year but he supported at least creating the Delaware Bay as a separate management region.

Toni Kerns, a manager with the ASMFC, said this year there is a Recreational Harvest Limit of 1.6 million fish for the whole coast and states are not managed individually.

“If the (ASMFC) goes back to state-by-state management in 2017 New Jersey would still have its 39 percent,” Kerns said.

Black sea bass catches were set to go up 20 percent this year from 2.33 million pounds to 2.8 million pounds but harvests through October were 1.19 million pounds over target and right now a 23-percent cut is called for against the 2.8 million pound quota.

The concern is anything landed in November and December will increase the cuts, and it was unseasonably warm those two months with a lot of fishing. Some fear cuts as high as 35 percent when those numbers come in.

Adam Nowalsky, a New Jersey representative on the ASMFC, said the final numbers will be out before a decision is made in February.

The scup catch limit is being reduced slightly but is still higher than recent landings.

Time to start thinking of whats coming down the pike in the weeks to come. This option 2B is BS . A few years back we gave up a few fish for a lower size limit mainly due to SNJ complaining. Fast forward, they are still asking again for a lower size limit to be sort of on par with Delaware. AGAIN BS. If we are going to play the dividing game, let the SNJ quota count against the Delaware allotment. I refuse to allow my allotment for the STATE OF NEW JERSEY to be filled faster by a lower size limit for my friends down south. I have no issue with the lower size limit for IBSP. These are families who vacation or visit and surf fish.


When NY had their higher size limit than NJ, did they make Raritan Bay one size? No, so lets not start this shyt now.

If you were at the meeting you would know that this is the only way that we can get back to NJ being its own area and getting out of being group with NY and CT.

You also say it is All of south jersey that would get this and that is not the case it would be just the DEL Bay fisherman. Not all of South Jersey

Also this is not a north and south thing that you are trying to make this about.

[Down Deep Sportfishing]

Agreed Ron, but when we go backwards they look for give backs. How much more can we give back as we approach zero. Fran, you were in agreement to give back fish for a lower size limit the last go around. Well stocks are rebuilt and did we get the fish we gave back returned to up our bag? So don't go asking me be in favor of something that will decrease my shortened season and lessen our total bag again. Enjoy your Drum fishing. Come north and catch Fluke.

[Fish The Drop Off]

But it does not change your season. We are looking at almost the same season as last year.

Yes I did vote for the smaller fish three years ago. I also have been voting for the season to go longer in the fall rather then start earlier for the last 12 years. I do fish north since I sit in the middle of the state.

I think your missing the point. There is a big push trying to not be grouped with NY and CT and if they approve this change to get the Del bay guys a smaller fish we will be grouped by ourselves. What I what is to get back to state by state with regs. NJ landings on fluke where one half of what they projected. Just think if we did not have to cover NY and CT Overage we would be looking better for next year. Instead we are sitting with the same season.

[Down Deep Sportfishing]

Originally Posted by Fish The Drop Off

But it does not change your season. We are looking at almost the same season as last year.

Yes, assuming we remain with the current tri-state regulations. So lets assume we break away and become an independent region again. Will we get back the 6% reduction we took when we were lumped together tri-state? I highly doubt it. So to appease Del. bay fisherman this time, under option 2B, they will be their own region. So the regulations for Del. bay will be closer to the Delaware state regs. but will come out of the State of New Jersey overall quota. I'm not for it. One state, one size.

Herman Cain had a plan, 9-9-9.

Pretty soon everyone in our state can be as one. Rename their boat Noahs Ark. This plan is heading to be the new 2-2-2.
2 Stripers - 2 Winter Flounders - 2 Fluke.

No thanks.

[Fish The Drop Off]

No, For option 2b to happen NJ will become its own region. It was already Stated that we are looking at 128 day with a bag of 5 at 18 inches for the 2016 season or something very close to that.

This has to be Approved and then NMFC would have to offer it to be an option. What we should be more worried about is the part you just over looked in that NJ only land 1/2 of their quota if we were going state by state. So in a sense we are covering NY and CT on their overage. So if you like give NY and CT your fish Go with your option. I personal do not want to cover there mistakes like we are seeking with Sea bass now.

[Down Deep Sportfishing]

Originally Posted by Fish The Drop Off

What we should be more worried about is the part you just over looked in that NJ only land 1/2 of their quota if we were going state by state.

Yes, we should be worried, worried about who will speak on behalf of what is good for fisherman in the State of New Jersey. I did'nt miss it at all. I'm just tired of giving more to get less, and I'm still against a two size limit for one species in one state. When uncle Chucky spoke, they caved. How do N.J. representatives allow other states to take a stake in what was ours? We in this industry have lost faith in the higher ups who represent fisherman in N.J. We are WAY over due for a change here. Thank you for your answers and shedding some light on these issues, maybe it will help to understand what is going on here. Good luck to you in 2016.

[NoLimit]

Originally Posted by RussH

I "personally" believe that man made climate change is real, and that there are things that can be done about it. I believe the Occam's Razor of climate change is that burning all the oil and coal is releasing carbon which is causing an acceleration of a change that would happen regardless..

1) the global warming hysteria is flawed and based on obsolete weather stations that used to be in open space but are now surrounded by parking lots, runways, etc

2). Satellite thermal scans are far more accurate and prove there is no global wArming

3) Yes there are periods of warming and cooling and it happens on all planets. It's caused by solar flare activity

Those are the facts and not the smoke and mirrors used to create yet another tax