JCAA Alert - FLUKE Hearing

[mako28]

Russ A says - "Just an FYI I have been around for a long time and have heard a lot of things"

NOW HEAR THIS ---

Well Russ, you're not the only one. I too have lived in the pathetic state of New York. I attended N.Y. Blackfish regulation meetings. I attended with a shirt with a picture of Tog. One of the council members at the meeting asks, " nice shirt, what kind of fish is that?". What happened to New York, New York did to itself. The deck is stacked is against all of us, buddy. I totally agree, roller gear is horrible. So before you start b!tch!n, leave New York now, before you wear out your welcome here.

P.S. Thanks Paul

[Capt Sal]

Went to a bunker meeting in NY with myself and Percy the net maker.The biologist was 80 years old and should have been retired!!!He said the guys with the cast nets are the reason for the decline in bunker populations.Go figure lolIf this is the best NY can do they are in desperate trouble.He knew nothing about the reduction boats working outside the 3 mile line.NY charges a PB charter boat fee to fish in NY waters.Where does this money go?NJ does not charge NY for hire boats to fish in our waters.Most of the Pb and charters boats in Sheepshead Bay and the rest of Ny are starving.It might not be great in Nj but it is better than NY

[italianfisherman]

Originally Posted by Capt Sal Cathy Sea Charters

Went to a bunker meeting in NY with myself and Percy the net maker.The biologist was 80 years old and should have been retired!!!He said the guys with the cast nets are the reason for the decline in bunker populations.Go figure lolIf this is the best NY can do they are in desperate trouble.He knew nothing about the reduction boats working outside the 3 mile line.NY charges a PB charter boat fee to fish in NY waters.Where does this money go?NJ does not charge NY for hire boats to fish in our waters.Most of the Pb and charters boats in Sheepshead Bay and the rest of Ny are starving.It might not be great in Nj but it is better than NY

Tell me what party boats in NY are Starving?

[Capt Sal]

Originally Posted by italianfisherman

Tell me what party boats in NY are Starving?

Your kidding me.Sheepshead Bay in a mere image of what it was.The Princess out of Great Kills was losing money before Sandy got her.Why do you think a PB would move from NY to NJ?Is it because our limits are a bit better?I fish NY waters all the time and I am not happy with the fluke regs.

[Fisherman120]

Originally Posted by Capt Sal Cathy Sea Charters

Your kidding me.Sheepshead Bay in a mere image of what it was.The Princess out of Great Kills was losing money before Sandy got her.Why do you think a PB would move from NY to NJ?Is it because our limits are a bit better?I fish NY waters all the time and I am not happy with the fluke regs.

The Princess lost money because they ran a terrible operation and did not deserve to run a boat, not because of regs.

[RussA]

Originally Posted by Capt Sal Cathy Sea Charters

Your kidding me.Sheepshead Bay in a mere image of what it was.The Princess out of Great Kills was losing money before Sandy got her.Why do you think a PB would move from NY to NJ?Is it because our limits are a bit better?I fish NY waters all the time and I am not happy with the fluke regs.

Hey Capt Sal you must have not been there in years as the Bay is now filled up with fishing boats.

All new names some old, but coming back.

The only boat I know of from the Bay that went to NJ was the Dorthy B.

Can you tell me another boat that has moved to NJ from NY?

[Angler Paul]

Glad to see all the major NJ fishing groups are on the same page. Here is a good article from the APP as to what transpired at the hearing.

http://www.app.com/article/20140116/...-plan-rejected

Paul Haertel
President JCAA

[Dupes]

Paul, thanks for the link.

[Ttmako]

Here is my take.
The proposed amendment is about allocating the harvest limit. I’m concerned the limit is artificially low because of extremely poor effort and catch estimates. The new MRIP survey data is just as poor as the MRFSS data.
The next time you are surveyed, either in person or over the phone, tell them how infrequently you go out and how little you catch. They take the data and extrapolate it to the registered fisherman in your area. This is not a time to boast and tell them how much you fish and catch. If the regulators insist on using a flawed methodology, then we need to provide them with our "poor effort" statistics.
Instead of debating slicing up the artificially low allowable catch, regulators would be better off accurately measuring effort and landings data.

[RussA]

Originally Posted by mako28

Russ A says - "Just an FYI I have been around for a long time and have heard a lot of things"

NOW HEAR THIS ---

Well Russ, you're not the only one. I too have lived in the pathetic state of New York. I attended N.Y. Blackfish regulation meetings. I attended with a shirt with a picture of Tog. One of the council members at the meeting asks, " nice shirt, what kind of fish is that?". What happened to New York, New York did to itself. The deck is stacked is against all of us, buddy. I totally agree, roller gear is horrible. So before you start b!tch!n, leave New York now, before you wear out your welcome here.

P.S. Thanks Paul

Who is the Tog Biologist for NY? You know since you go to meetings. I know the person and had extensive conversations while fishing.

I won't wear my welcome anywhere, I am trying to show you that fighting against each other and the isolationist bit only hurts the fishing industry it doesn't help it.