JCAA Alert - FLUKE Hearing

[italianfisherman]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

The New York Fluke regs put a lot of NY Fluke boats out of business. You fight for your interests and we will fight for ours.

Tell me what NY fluke boats went out of Business?

[italianfisherman]

Originally Posted by Capt Sal Cathy Sea Charters

Went to a bunker meeting in NY with myself and Percy the net maker.The biologist was 80 years old and should have been retired!!!He said the guys with the cast nets are the reason for the decline in bunker populations.Go figure lolIf this is the best NY can do they are in desperate trouble.He knew nothing about the reduction boats working outside the 3 mile line.NY charges a PB charter boat fee to fish in NY waters.Where does this money go?NJ does not charge NY for hire boats to fish in our waters.Most of the Pb and charters boats in Sheepshead Bay and the rest of Ny are starving.It might not be great in Nj but it is better than NY

Tell me what party boats in NY are Starving?

[Capt Sal]

Originally Posted by italianfisherman

Tell me what party boats in NY are Starving?

Your kidding me.Sheepshead Bay in a mere image of what it was.The Princess out of Great Kills was losing money before Sandy got her.Why do you think a PB would move from NY to NJ?Is it because our limits are a bit better?I fish NY waters all the time and I am not happy with the fluke regs.

[Fisherman120]

Originally Posted by Capt Sal Cathy Sea Charters

Your kidding me.Sheepshead Bay in a mere image of what it was.The Princess out of Great Kills was losing money before Sandy got her.Why do you think a PB would move from NY to NJ?Is it because our limits are a bit better?I fish NY waters all the time and I am not happy with the fluke regs.

The Princess lost money because they ran a terrible operation and did not deserve to run a boat, not because of regs.

[RussA]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

The New York Fluke regs put a lot of NY Fluke boats out of business. You fight for your interests and we will fight for ours.

Gerry you clearly don't remember when fluking sucked. I am only 36 and remember it vividly.

We used to call it drifting and dreaming.

NJ didn't do anything to help the fluke trouble, NY stepped up and because of that you have the fluke fishing you have today.

Now in 1999 fluke measures were set (Amendment 12) to go into affect in 2000 under the Magnuson Stevens Act.

This was supposed to go 10 years, They reaccessed the number of fluke in 2007 and found the number have rebounded back to a stable biomass, but they continued the shenanigans and extended it till 2013. (edit) some how a piece was erased.

You in NJ never wanted to give anything up and still fight even though NY did the right thing and because of that you enjoy great fluke fishing.

3 Years ago I warned you guys in NJ that you are going to face the same fate NY did and you were all gun-ho and stated it wouldn't happen we have a voice well just last year you people gave up 3 fish to gain a half an inch.

NY is now stabilizing and yes we did lose a few boats, but that isn't stopping the new boats that have acquired a slip in Sheepshead Bay as now the Bay is full of fishing boats! It will be back stronger than ever.

Now back to NJ, you are going to start losing boats faster and faster as the steam roller comes barreling through.

I say join forces with NY because you are looking at 4 fish at 18" soon you will be at the same as NY 4 fish at 19".

The bottom line is they want you o fight and they want you to lose boats so that they knock the number of boats down, because thats what they are doing.

[RussA]

Originally Posted by Capt Sal Cathy Sea Charters

Your kidding me.Sheepshead Bay in a mere image of what it was.The Princess out of Great Kills was losing money before Sandy got her.Why do you think a PB would move from NY to NJ?Is it because our limits are a bit better?I fish NY waters all the time and I am not happy with the fluke regs.

Hey Capt Sal you must have not been there in years as the Bay is now filled up with fishing boats.

All new names some old, but coming back.

The only boat I know of from the Bay that went to NJ was the Dorthy B.

Can you tell me another boat that has moved to NJ from NY?

[RussA]

Originally Posted by mako28

Russ A says - "Just an FYI I have been around for a long time and have heard a lot of things"

NOW HEAR THIS ---

Well Russ, you're not the only one. I too have lived in the pathetic state of New York. I attended N.Y. Blackfish regulation meetings. I attended with a shirt with a picture of Tog. One of the council members at the meeting asks, " nice shirt, what kind of fish is that?". What happened to New York, New York did to itself. The deck is stacked is against all of us, buddy. I totally agree, roller gear is horrible. So before you start b!tch!n, leave New York now, before you wear out your welcome here.

P.S. Thanks Paul

Who is the Tog Biologist for NY? You know since you go to meetings. I know the person and had extensive conversations while fishing.

I won't wear my welcome anywhere, I am trying to show you that fighting against each other and the isolationist bit only hurts the fishing industry it doesn't help it.

[Gerry Zagorski]

Russ - I give you credit for stating your case and not getting personal or confrentational about it. Easy to get that way since this can be such an emotionally charged subject, especially when the sport we all love and some of us rely on for our livelyhood is at risk.

Having said that, I respect your opinion but am sticking to my guns and will rally around what is best for us locally here in NJ. Our NJ fishing recreational community has endured a lot recently and many businesses are tetering on the edge. Cost of fuel, the local economy and then last year Sandy. You can argue that it's short sided or selfish but that's where I stand. I want our local regs to be as favorable as possible and regionalzing the managment of a fishery does not serve that end.

[RussA]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

Russ - I give you credit for stating your case and not getting personal or confrentational about it. Easy to get that way since this can be such an emotionally charged subject, especially when the sport we all love and some of us rely on for our livelyhood is at risk.

Having said that, I respect your opinion but am sticking to my guns and will rally around what is best for us locally here in NJ. Our NJ fishing recreational community has endured a lot recently and many businesses are tetering on the edge. Cost of fuel, the local economy and then last year Sandy. You can argue that it's short sided or selfish but that's where I stand. I want our local regs to be as favorable as possible and regionalzing the managment of a fishery does not serve that end.

Thanks Gerry, I have learned that calling people names or ridiculing them or just plainly attacking them does not do anything for me as a person nor my credibility and it's just wrong.

I understand that you are adamant about sticking to your guns, just don't fight with your eyes closed. They will screw NJ just like NY was screwed.

Just an FYI I fish both states so I want to see a more liberal possession amd size limit for both states.

I feel since we both fish the same waters we should band together to get these monkeys called the MAFMC, NMFS, NOAA and the like off our backs.

[Fish The Drop Off]

Originally Posted by RussA

Thanks Gerry, I have learned that calling people names or ridiculing them or just plainly attacking them does not do anything for me as a person nor my credibility and it's just wrong.

I understand that you are adamant about sticking to your guns, just don't fight with your eyes closed. They will screw NJ just like NY was screwed.

Just an FYI I fish both states so I want to see a more liberal possession amd size limit for both states.

I feel since we both fish the same waters we should band together to get these monkeys called the MAFMC, NMFS, NOAA and the like off our backs.

Just wanted to ask this question. What about the guys in south jersey that fish both nj and del waters. Del has a 16 in fluke fish. Is it fair to them?

I guess maybe NJ should be grouped with the southern states.