Big Jamaica fiasco

[blkbear]

If Tony stated 50 then I believe him 100%. I know Tony and he will not BS
I have been hoping he would reply and get out the true facts on the count.
That was why I said call and ask when you book,and they will give you all the info to plan your trip.
And I find it nice that they where not even taking deposits and trusting the customer to show up.

[TDaly25]

Gerry, here are a few facts for you:

Fact: I never stated that I counted 100 people, I guessed that there were “closer to 100 than to 55”, which statistically means 78 or more. Again, I didn’t count. Could I have been mistaken by some degree? Sure, it’s possible, I told you I didn’t count.

Fact: I also stated that there were people, including crew, that were smoking in the cabin. For this I was dismissed as a liar. Tony didn’t suggest he would look into it – you did, though, in your defense of him – he accused me of being a liar.

Fact: I did not call the Captain a liar, he did the name calling. I showed offense at his eager reflex to dismiss and disparage me rather than consider the possibility that a paying fare might have a legitimate gripe.

Fact: There were other posters that also made valid points about excessive amounts of gear that was brought on board and number of coolers, etc. This, too, could have contributed to the feeling of being overloaded. I will be the first to admit my own fallibility.

Fact: I made a calm and reasoned post last night stating my disappointment with my experience and I explicitly stated what it was that I was disappointed in. I made no personal attacks and acknowledged that I expected the captain to comment on my post when he returned and that I was confident that his response would be reasonable and commensurate with furthering the long-term success of his business.

Fact: The Captain came on this board and immediately sought to discredit me and my experience by calling me a liar.

Fact: I am in a service business and have a certain standard by which I do business. My reputation in my industry is all I have and there is nothing more important to me than to do what I can to keep my clients happy. I have found the Captain’s arrogance, indifference and inability to accept any reasonable criticism or blame here is offensive.

Fact: The BJ clearly has a terrific and devoted following that will continue long after this thread is forgotten. Having said that, I would tell the good Captain that based on commentary I’ve received from MANY SOURCES that my experience, as isolated as it may seem, is not unique and he would do himself and his business a favor by paying a bit more attention to some of the issues that have been raised on this and related threads.

Fact: I have fished A LOT of your sponsor boats and just about all of the crews who know me are happy to have me come aboard. I fish hard, tip well and require little to no attention. I have never had an agenda with anyone other than to have a good, comfortable, safe and law-abiding experience.

[CaptTB]

Originally Posted by TDaly25

Gerry, here are a few facts for you:

Fact: I never stated that I counted 100 people, I guessed that there were “closer to 100 than to 55”, which statistically means 78 or more. Again, I didn’t count. Could I have been mistaken by some degree? Sure, it’s possible, I told you I didn’t count.

And yet you claim that there were at least over 50% more people on the boat than a normal full trip. (your 78....statistically speaking of course

Fact: I also stated that there were people, including crew, that were smoking in the cabin. For this I was dismissed as a liar. Tony didn’t suggest he would look into it – you did, though, in your defense of him – he accused me of being a liar.

Wrong again, I most certainly did say I would loomk into it but that i did not initially comment on it since I was not there to see it myself. After your initial comment that was totally false (the number of people) I wanted to make sure I did not make any false statements like you did.

Fact: I did not call the Captain a liar, he did the name calling. I showed offense at his eager reflex to dismiss and disparage me rather than consider the possibility that a paying fare might have a legitimate gripe.

Of course you did not call me a liar, I did not lie. You did. And since there was NO WAY that there was even remotely close to 100, 90, 80, 70 or 60 people on board why would I think your complaint was anything other than what it obviously was? A total fabrication.

Fact: There were other posters that also made valid points about excessive amounts of gear that was brought on board and number of coolers, etc. This, too, could have contributed to the feeling of being overloaded. I will be the first to admit my own fallibility.

Interesting you waited till 4000 views and dozens of comments and several threads before you decide to "admit your own falibility" and yet your posts right in this thread show you still stand behind your false claims of passenger count...... your "admission" is a joke sir.

Fact: The Captain came on this board and immediately sought to discredit me and my experience by calling me a liar.

FACT: you lied about the number of people on board. More to your line of talking (now, after the fact of course) you exaggerated by a factor of nearly 100%

Fact: I am in a service business and have a certain standard by which I do business. My reputation in my industry is all I have and there is nothing more important to me than to do what I can to keep my clients happy. I have found the Captain’s arrogance, indifference and inability to accept any reasonable criticism or blame here is offensive.

Reasonable criticism? You claim there are nearly twice as many people on a boat than there actually was and you call that reasonable? Please, keep continuing to make my point for me. Continue your posts again and again, it only proves you were posting false information since you continue to do so.

Have a nice day.

[PaBeerGuy]

TD feel free to assert your concerns here again on this post and Tony, feel free to address them as well.

Gerry, you invited TD to respond, he did, then you ripped it down. wtf? I was looking forward to this getting settled.

[TDaly25]

Gee I was just stating how surprised I was that there was a headcount that showed such a small number of fisherman on the trip.

I guess if there is any testimony from any truly independent fares stating how comfortable they were on the trip and how much room they all had that will be a big surprise too.

Who knows, maybe another complete stranger will express surprise at how few people there were on board for such a beautiful day. Cant see that coming either.

It's ok, there is such a thing as Karma and I'm a firm believer that everyone and everything eventually gets what's coming to them.

The whole thing would actually be funny if it didn't involve people being pis*d on and then being told it was raining.

Let's see how long this takes to be pulled

[CaptTB]

Originally Posted by TDaly25

Gee I was just stating how surprised I was that there was a headcount that showed such a small number of fisherman on the trip.

Why? It snowed up to 30 inches in some places in NY on Saturday. CT transportation was shut down. Many of our customers could not switch to Sunday from Fri and Sat trips being sold out. So now you think you know how our business goes and when there should or should not be a certain number of people on board? You sir posted a false statement. I showed you copies of the reservation book. Notice the last page stops at 42? You KNOW when you booked and you were only number 37.

If the trip had been full and they screwed up the count and there were a couple extras on board (we have made mistakes at the office and put someone down for the 18th when they wanted to leave the 18th and fish the 19th...example dates) then I would post it. But the FACT remains that YOU came up with some wild ass claim that was COMPLETELY FALSE. 50 passengers and you could not even count them.

It's ok, there is such a thing as Karma and I'm a firm believer that everyone and everything eventually gets what's coming to them.

Damn straight. Now we know you were not just off with your estimates, we know you posted false information, plain and simple. I have no problems taking the offensive now that I know you were not being honest. I call it like I see it. You want to try and post false claims about my business? Then I will call you out for type of person you are sir.

The whole thing would actually be funny if it didn't involve people being pis*d on and then being told it was raining.

Except you were the one doing the pissing and now the truth is out. Thank god I won't have to deal with any more false statements about our business from the likes of you since you already posted you won't be back. Not that I'd let you on one of our boats anyway.

Have a complaint so be it. Post false information on the internet about a business and it is a different story.

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by PaBeerGuy

TD feel free to assert your concerns here again on this post and Tony, feel free to address them as well.

Gerry, you invited TD to respond, he did, then you ripped it down. wtf? I was looking forward to this getting settled.

Just trying to get this resolved with facts PA, not emotions.

[SaltLife1980]

Lots of crying going on here.. Some boats its ok to smoke in the cabin.. so whats the big deal.. as far as amount of people.. Im sure they did not over crowd the boat.. im sure every person had 10 rods and 5 coolers.. thats how it goes.. so ill bet it looked like a 100 people..

[Islander II]

I think a lesson has been learned here. Don't post anything negative about a business on the Internet if you don't have the facts. It would have been a good idea to contact the business owner and talk to them privately about your complaint first, before posting your complaint. Technically this was a defamation of character.

[shrimpman steve]

obviously the offending post was removed. what were the facts? were there more than the limited 55 on board?