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Old 10-29-2009, 05:21 PM
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Old 10-29-2009, 05:23 PM
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First off big thanks as always for all the guys busting their ass for fisherman!

Capt Tony and others always provide us with the facts and up to date information as well as answer alot of questions... And thats just in between all the real work they do meetings,lawsuits research etc

I have been trying to push the rfa lawsuit over the seabass closure to my customers friends and fellow anglers and passing on all the info i can. ( Most of which is facts provided online By Capt Tb)

I headlined it on the front page of the Fish Mongers website and face book page... got the 1 pager to handout to all customers... and have been thinking of some creative fundraising in the winter time to just help with a general donation to ssff rfa etc.

With that said what i do might not change anything but if everyone does something... whatever they can everyone will be better off in the long run and could prob change alot no?

In the same token ya cant fault people for Joining a challenge trip reading reports etc... That doesnt mean those people are interested, dont care, wont donate etc and in my honest doesnt bode well for drumming up support!

I too would like to see more interest in this forum

But i havent seen hardly any charter or party boat capts getting involved this forum either and i am sure they care deeply regulations about... I am sure a lot are a big help behind the scenes. maybe some arent good with computers etc...

Maybe if some get involved... some customers will follow... lead to a few more ...mayby not... maybe we will never know.

I also found it very interesting and give Capt Tb alot of credit for making it known the lack of support(or public support) on the seabass closure from other groups... Although they work very hard for fisherman too i though more would have headlined the seabass closure and pushed the rfa lawsuit even if it didnt directly involve there particular group at that time? Like a donation link or article summary... Now is really the time for everyone to unite.

Again thanks to those on the front line of this... time and time again... fighting for the fisherman and the future of even being able to fish!
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Old 10-29-2009, 08:13 PM
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Capt Tony and others always provide us with the facts and up to date information as well as answer alot of questions... And thats just in between all the real work they do meetings,lawsuits research etc

I also found it very interesting and give Capt Tb alot of credit for making it known the lack of support(or public support) on the seabass closure from other groups... Although they work very hard for fisherman too i though more would have headlined the seabass closure and pushed the rfa lawsuit even if it didnt directly involve there particular group at that time? Like a donation link or article summary... Now is really the time for everyone to unite.

Again thanks to those on the front line of this... time and time again... fighting for the fisherman and the future of even being able to fish!
Jerry your right and we do need more people and Captains involved and I have talked to Dale about getting anything going and I will be there, and yes the common man walking the street has no idea what is going to happen.

But as stated all thru to other post here everyone complains but they dont want to safe what they have.
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:49 AM
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Its too bad the towns that benefit from all the fisheries don't chip in.

The overall contribution to a local community that the recreational fisherman helps is huge.

When you look at fisherman that come into Brielle, PP, Belmar, Manasquan etc. just for a day or a weekend. These fisherman are buying, coffee, gas, lodging, suntan lotion, meals, etc. as well as bait & tackle.

I see that the town of La Jolla, CA did a study called "Surfenomics" that showed that the local surfers contributed approx 24 million dollars/year to the local economy. How much do you think we contribute to these towns and all the local merchants that don't even realize their gains.
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Old 10-30-2009, 06:09 PM
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Its too bad the towns that benefit from all the fisheries don't chip in.

The overall contribution to a local community that the recreational fisherman helps is huge.

When you look at fisherman that come into Brielle, PP, Belmar, Manasquan etc. just for a day or a weekend. These fisherman are buying, coffee, gas, lodging, suntan lotion, meals, etc. as well as bait & tackle.

I see that the town of La Jolla, CA did a study called "Surfenomics" that showed that the local surfers contributed approx 24 million dollars/year to the local economy. How much do you think we contribute to these towns and all the local merchants that don't even realize their gains.
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If you look at the associated websites, SSFFF, RFA etc and look under "supporters" you will notice that towns chamber of commerce, Bait and Tackle shops have shown support. Could it be more of course but there are quite a few who get where there economc support comes from. Its equally if not more important that those that impose the regulatioons on "flawed science" understand the economic impact as I am sure you are aware. When I ran the SSFFF trip last June NOT a single tackle shop or business I asked for door prizes turned me down.
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:35 PM
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Dale, I didn't mean to generalize, but I was trying to make a point. Sometimes the business's take everything for granted and they don't realize it until its gone.

When you look at commercial fishing ports like New Bedford, Gloucester and Boston that had thriving fishing communities. Then due to the closure of George's the giant draggers and mid water guys that left town and went backrupt it was a shock.

No one ever thought that the New Bedford auction would become a minor daily blip when it once was a huge indicator for pricing of fish the entire coast.
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:07 PM
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Dale, I didn't mean to generalize, but I was trying to make a point. Sometimes the business's take everything for granted and they don't realize it until its gone.

When you look at commercial fishing ports like New Bedford, Glocester and Boston that had thriving fishing communities. Then due to the closure of George's the giant draggers and mid water guys that left town and went backrupt it was a shock.

No one ever thought that the New Bedford auction would become a minor daily blip when it once was a huge indicator for pricing of fish the entire coast.
Howie,
Understood and its a valid point, its amazing how so many wait to react when the warnings are out there. I fished those areas in the early 80's when things were really great up there, so good that if you were an out of towner you found the bait buy boat ONLY after the locals had left the docks. At times our money was NO good
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Old 11-02-2009, 07:46 AM
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Here is the article/study on how much a surfer pumps into the economy when he/she goes surfing. A surfer doesn't pay anything to surf this is for his extras. Wax, cords, fuel, eats, etc. I wonder what the cost / fisherman is for us?

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Mavericks "Surfonomics" Study Released

October 29, 2009, Half Moon Bay, CA Save The Waves Coalition announced today the preliminary results from its second “Surfonomics” study, a measure of the economic value of the world-famous big-wave break at Mavericks in Half Moon Bay, California. The study found that the surfing site and area has an estimated economic value to visitors of nearly $24 million per year, based on approximately 420,000 annual visitors.

“Mavericks is an iconic, world-renowned surf break that’s truly unique,” said Save The Waves executive director Dean LaTourrette. “This study provides evidence of not just its environmental value, but of its economic value as well. This further reinforces the notion that it and other special coastal areas around the world need and deserve to be protected.”

The study combined the economic value visitors place on the wave with intrinsic or cultural values of a coastal location with a world-class wave such as Mavericks. An important goal of the project was to build a model that can inform decision makers in coastal communities with important waves around the world. While prior studies of the value of waves have focused on the economic impacts of a contest or industry to local economies, this study looked at the benefits that surfing provides to surfers and observers by focusing on the value they place on the Mavericks wave through what they give up to experience it, as well as their qualitative comments.

The study, entitled “The Value of a Wave: An Analysis of the Mavericks Region,” was conducted by University of Hawaii Economic Research Organization, in partnership with the Center for Responsible Travel at Stanford University, under the guidance of Save The Waves Coalition. The study was made possible by a grant from the Morgan Family Foundation, and Mavericks Surf Ventures as well as contest sponsor Jim Beam helped promote and support the study.

The results come just in time for the 2009/2010 Mavericks Surf ContestÒ opening ceremonies, which will take place at 2:30pm on Friday, October 30, 2009 at Mavericks Beach followed by a reception at 4:30pm at nearby Oceano Hotel & Spa. Save The Waves will be on hand at the event with more detail about the study.

Summary of Key Findings:

1) The wave at Mavericks has an estimated minimum economic value to visitors of $23.9 million per year. (*)

2) The average visitor is willing to pay a minimum of $56.70 per trip to the Mavericks surf area.

3) Surfers visit the area nearly five times more often than non-surfers and thus accrue more value from the area.

4) The study did not include the Mavericks Surf Contest, which has drawn anywhere from 10,000 to 50,000 people to the area on contest day, and thus results in additional economic value to visitors each year.

5) Almost 90% of the respondents labeled surfing an ecotourism activity, and thus important to the cultural and environmental health of the community. Respondents believed that Mavericks helped to positively define the Half Moon Bay area.

(*) Based on estimated visitation levels of 421,431 per year

For background information on Save The Waves Surfonomics click here.


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Above photo: Mavericks surf in all its glory. Photo by William Henry



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