FISHERMEN/COMMENT TO ASMF/STRIPED BASS

[TomKaye]

Originally Posted by champ

I sent my note with basically the same message as above. I also included the impact on other businesses. In Keyport alone in my marina, there are trailed boats from Pa, NY, Vt, Ohio and more. Just to catch a bass. This is the epitome of tourism. Not to mention the ripple effect on gas, deli's, bait and tackle, etc. Even with current regulations.

Not sure why the recreation anglers aren't support by the big tackle makers - Penn, Shimano, Berkley, etc

I sent my comments very similar to what Champ has stated above, absent the part about big tackle makers support. The effect on businesses ancillary to the party and charter boats, and their families would be devastating.
I hope some of these bureaucrats pay attention.

[captbogan]

Originally Posted by togzilla

Here is the point everyone is missing. This is the bureaucratic govt. that wants us off the water so they can use the resource for their own special interest groups. They have been infected with progressive liberal interests for decades and their fruits of their labor are finally coming to pass. How else can you explain the complete mismanagement of our fisheries(winter flounder, whiting, fluke, blackfish, etc.) ?

This is completely true. I have been saying this for years. The more boats they get off their ocean, the better. There will never be enough fish in the ocean for them.

[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by 1captainron

I also find it amazing that not ONE person has commented on this sight about this situation. Owners, Captains, Deck hands, recreational fishermen. Very sad.

Gerry put up a post at the top of the page talking about the meeting and what was going on, the only reply was his own. I guess it just falls on deaf ears.

All the crybabies will be posting after the fact when we are screwed again.

Capt. Ron

Couldn't agree with you more Capt. You know how many posts I've made and how much time I've spent over the years actually communicating with multiple regulatory bodies and when I looked in the rear view mirror to see how many people were supporting me there's was no one. Not even owners or people you'd consider leaders in the recreational angling community. We're our own worst enemies short of a handful of people who are willing to get involved as opposed to just bitch. We have the numbers and economic spend to have a voice and change this corrupt process but as a whole we're not close to being organized and lack the leadership needed to make our voice heard. ASA, fishing organizations, equipment manufacturers, owner operators, small businesses and recreational fishermen can't get out of their own way to fight Washington, ASMFC and MAFMC. Instead we suck up to them because nobody when push comes to shove wants to rock the boat, especially with NMFS. We keep accepting the scraps we get every year relative to the commercial sector, we won't have to worry about that much longer because soon there won't be a boat left to rock nor will there be fisheries left to access.

Until the recreational angling community grows a set of balls and gets off its ass to cause change as opposed to complaining about it, there's not one thing that will change because history shows nothing has over the last 20 to 25 years. As I said, we're our own worst enemy because we do nothing but whine every year about getting the short end of the stick. I know many will take offense to my post but it's the truth.

We want change, organize and file a lawsuit against the Department of Commerce, NOAA and NMFS and let the results of that litigation trickle down to ASMFC and MAFMC who also don't give a s*** about the stocks they manage nor the recreational community they're supposed to be representing. They're all too busy playing let's make a deal with public resources the recreational community has enjoyed for generations which have now been targeted by politicians and conglomerates for their own personal financial gains.

[Capt Sal]

I caught my first bass in the late fifties when it was just ok fishing. There were less less bass in the sixties and worse in the seventies! Bass made a come back in the late nineties and the present day bass fishing is nothing short of incredible!. So remember what Reagan said. We are from the Government and we are here to help??????? Don't believe your ''LYING EYES''.

[dales529]

https://www.nationalfisherman.com/fi...-with-stripers
Original article from 1983 which addresses pollution and spawning in Chesapeake Bay. Albeit on the commercial side but to BB points and posts WHY has nothing been done by ASMFC on any of this ???
If this doesnt piss you off nothing will and if you still think a political party will favor you over another then you need some cognitive testing.

Problem with federal lawsuits is that they threaten removal of fed permits to the for hire industry meaning NO Tuna / NO Offshore Sea Bass permits etc so most wont join a lawsuit. Like we tried on seabass in the past.

RFA had a lobbyist that went to hearings in Washington but our own rec guys and facebook put RFA to the curb! You can say nothing got done for your donations but what has happened since? Answer: It only got worse!

Was going to stay out of this but cant:
Same 6 Capts / maybe 10 Recs etc always chiming in in texts , emails and posts here: Capt Ron, Capt Bob , Capt Derek, Capt Jerry ( facebook) , Capt Dan, Gerry Z , BB, BD , Duff, Larry, Andy, Dave. Angler Paul, Tom Kaye and some others with more of a political agenda than rec fishing but at least they post.

NOT ENOUGH by thousands and thinking new politics are going to help is insanity at its best definition.

Sorry for the rant but been involved as you all know since 2008 and participation from rec anglers is disgusting.

[TheFishSlayer]

Gerry and the rest of the gang, let’s get a change.org petition going. I don’t know all the details of the proposition. But I think we can get tens of thousands of signatures on a well written letter.

Let me know id be happy to help.

Nathan Franco

[Legacy]

I sent in my comments Ron. With 50 plus years on the water and my experience fishing for bass from Maine down to North Carolina, I would hope that my feedback does not fall on deaf ears.

[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by dales529

Problem with federal lawsuits is that they threaten removal of fed permits to the for hire industry meaning NO Tuna / NO Offshore Sea Bass permits etc. so most wont join a lawsuit. Like we tried on seabass in the past.

Dave help me understand this. On 10/10/19 based on the following link:

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019...uota-new-yorks

Leticia James and Andrew Cuomo representing the State of New York filed a complaint for the unfair and disproportionate allocation of commercial summer flounder quotas based on outdated allocations from MSA from the 80's among states and won. New York ended up having their quota increased. The Plaintiffs were New York State, the Commissioner of NY DEC as well as the DEC itself. Named defendants were Wilbur Ross (Secretary of Commerce), the Department of Commerce itself, NOAA and NMFS. The NY commercial fishing alliance isn't even mentioned in the complaint. Do the laws discriminate between sectors?

Why then can NY file a complaint against the federal government but New Jersey based on your post can't, assuming we had the resources to do so. It didn't seem to prevent New York State from doing so on behalf of the commercial sector, why would the circumstances be any different if New Jersey filed a complaint on behalf of the recreational community including for hire operators. The complaint should cite unequitable and unfair allocation of the resource among sectors, specifically granted for under MSA, and mismanagement of the stock resulting in adverse economic impacts to all coastal states for two decades?

I simply would like to understand why litigation against the federal government isn't an option to the recreational sector or New Jersey but has been to the commercial sector repeatedly and obviously based on this complaint our neighbor state New York.

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by TheFishSlayer

Gerry and the rest of the gang, let’s get a change.org petition going. I don’t know all the details of the proposition. But I think we can get tens of thousands of signatures on a well written letter.

Let me know id be happy to help.

Nathan Franco

Thanks Nathan lets see where this goes on 12/16 and if it’s over the top we’ll need a petition and a lot of other political influence

[dales529]

Originally Posted by Broad Bill

Dave help me understand this. On 10/10/19 based on the following link:

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019...uota-new-yorks

Leticia James and Andrew Cuomo representing the State of New York filed a complaint for the unfair and disproportionate allocation of commercial summer flounder quotas based on outdated allocations from MSA from the 80's among states and won. New York ended up having their quota increased. The Plaintiffs were New York State, the Commissioner of NY DEC as well as the DEC itself. Named defendants were Wilbur Ross (Secretary of Commerce), the Department of Commerce itself, NOAA and NMFS. The NY commercial fishing alliance isn't even mentioned in the complaint. Do the laws discriminate between sectors?

Why then can NY file a complaint against the federal government but New Jersey based on your post can't, assuming we had the resources to do so. It didn't seem to prevent New York State from doing so on behalf of the commercial sector, why would the circumstances be any different if New Jersey filed a complaint on behalf of the recreational community including for hire operators. The complaint should cite unequitable and unfair allocation of the resource among sectors, specifically granted for under MSA, and mismanagement of the stock resulting in adverse economic impacts to all coastal states for two decades?

I simply would like to understand why litigation against the federal government isn't an option to the recreational sector or New Jersey but has been to the commercial sector repeatedly and obviously based on this complaint our neighbor state New York.

Look I certainly dont know as much as others that dont post here and always has been a form of frustration as they live this s--t. Rec Fishermen BS is why the fisheries management forum here got shut down and RFA NJ got kicked to the curb. Those that fight everyday got tired of being called out/ you included to a certain extent.

Back in the day to my knowledge NJ tried a "complaint" to the secretary of commerce on Seabass and it was stopped due to a threat of Fed permits but again that was 2011/12.

The NY Complaint you reference is newer and did you see the below as it looks like ASA is attached to an even more recent action / complaint / lawsuit.

https://asafishing.org/advocacy/poli...dern-fish-act/

Always moving parts to this puzzle that most are unaware of unless you have the time to live it everyday and sad a lot doesnt get on here.