Porgy Ban in federal wsters?

[bunker dunker]

nothing makes a bit of sense anymore.i'll just keep fishing with my pal bubba and do what we have to do.

[porgylber]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

85% of the porgies caught are well outside the 3 mile line .
And the ones being caught there are dinner plate size , not the small 10-12” fish .

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And it may go from a fully open season at 50 fish per day to closed ?

There is no doubt that fishery is looking to be recommissioned to someone else .

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Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. I can’t recall heading more than 3 miles out on any party boat during the summer or fall . In fact, land is generally within spitting distance.
Now, dinner plate size are generally (but not always) offshore. However over the past 3 years, larger porgies have been caught inshore as well.

[courbeco]

What's the reason the WH proposes this ban? Did I miss that? Agree with Gerry, this country is in a major tail spin (With this administration) and we're concerned about the scup population??

[Gerry Zagorski]

Good to see our own John Depersenaire from the RFA interviewed here...

[Meat Hunter]

Where does federal waters begin and end?
Federal waters begin where state waters end and extend to the 200 mile limit of the Gulf of Mexico. § 600.105 Intercouncil boundaries. (c) South Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico Councils.

The Marine Fisheries Commission, or MFC, is a nine member board appointed by the Governor. The commission is responsible for managing, protecting, preserving, and enhancing the marine and estuarine resources under its jurisdiction. It does this by adopting rules and policies, implementing management measures for fisheries and advising the State on marine fisheries within the jurisdiction of regional and federal boards and councils.

It's all the governors from the blue states causing the problem.

If I owned a party boat, I'd require proof of U.S. Citizenship to get onboard. Period. They can't do anything about it either. Security risk.

[Duffman]

Originally Posted by porgylber

Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. I can’t recall heading more than 3 miles out on any party boat during the summer or fall . In fact, land is generally within spitting distance.
Now, dinner plate size are generally (but not always) offshore. However over the past 3 years, larger porgies have been caught inshore as well.

I agree with Hammer. Can’t recall catching anything substantial (size and quantity wise) inside the 3 mile line last season. Most on the Scotland grounds and south of there.

Sandy Hook channel #4 is roughly the cutoff. The rough bottom is still roughly another 1.5 miles past that.

SHR and the Shrews rocks are within the boundary but did t do much there porgy wise.

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by porgylber

Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. I can’t recall heading more than 3 miles out on any party boat during the summer or fall . In fact, land is generally within spitting distance.
Now, dinner plate size are generally (but not always) offshore. However over the past 3 years, larger porgies have been caught inshore as well.

You do realize this isn’t just a NJ ban , many other states target porgies way more aggressively than here in Nj .
There is a great offshore fishery for them , not just the season filler here in NJ where they are slightly targeted inshore.
Winter fishery is well offshore as it is in many other states

And you can see land well over 3 miles , here in Nj you can see land up to around 12 .

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[dales529]

Since Gerry is allowing political here:
- I am against this proposed federal water ban on scup as there is no evidence to do so.

Having said that:
- This country is in a tailspin because BOTH parties REFUSE to work with each other on ANYTHING.
- Dems cant get out of their own way
- GOP is so far gone from the norms of political decency its disgusting.
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[mikdel]

Every country is in a tailspin since covid hit. Sky hi prices but record corporate profits and now like Jerry said the horrible porgy affair to worry about. The sky is falling!!!!!!!!!

[PortlyRedhead]

Want to be mad at something besides politics? The bottom trawl fishery for scup / porgies was just deemed sustainable by its trade group.

https://www.nationalfisherman.com/at...-certification

Full text —> The Marine Stewardship Council (MSC) announced that the Atlantic Scup (Stenotomus chrysops) bottom trawl fishery has achieved MSC certification for sustainable fishing practices. The MSC Fisheries Standard is a globally recognized standard used to assess if a fishery is well-managed, and reflects the most up-to-date understanding of internationally accepted fisheries science and management. The MSC certificate for scup is jointly held by commercial fishing operations Lund’s Fisheries, Inc. and Seafreeze, Ltd.

The Atlantic scup certification follows a rigorous twelve-month review carried out by a third-party assessment body, SCS Global Services. The MSC Fisheries Standard has three core principles that every certified fishery must meet including 1) sustainable fish stocks, 2) minimizing environmental impact, and 3) effective fisheries management. As well as preserving fish stocks and the marine environment, the MSC certification process ensures that scup products can be traced to a sustainable source through required recordkeeping.

Eric Critchlow, US Director for the MSC, said: “The certification of the scup fishery will help safeguard livelihoods, seafood supplies, and healthy oceans for future generations. Being a new whitefish fishery to gain MSC certification is a notable achievement and we welcome Lund’s and Seafreeze’s commitment to fisheries sustainability.”

Lund’s Fisheries principals own and operate 20 fishing vessels delivering a variety of seafood to its freezing and processing facility year-round. Other, independent vessels, from North Carolina through Maine, land scup at the company’s Cape May, NJ plant, as well. The Seafreeze, Ltd. facility in North Kingstown, RI operates three company vessels that it owns, and its affiliated Seafreeze Shoreside, in Narragansett, RI, handles about 10-12 additional independent vessels delivering scup to the Kingstown location. Vessels landing with Seafreeze hail from Rhode Island, New York, and Connecticut ports.

The fishery’s strengths include a well-defined and proven governance system of national and state laws; a suite of strategic policy frameworks that are supportive of the MSC’s Principles; effective leadership within federal and state management and scientific organizations; a transparent and engaging consultation and decision-making processes; and a proven federal-state record of effective collaboration and cooperation at all levels.

Scup, which is also known as Porgy, Maiden, Fair maid, Ironsides, or Northern porgy, is a dusky brown and silver food fish found in the Northwest Atlantic Ocean, primarily between Cape Cod, Massachusetts, and Cape Hatteras, North Carolina. Scup populations are healthy and have steadily increased since the mid-1990s. Scup is considered an “underutilized species” because they are low on the list of typically consumed commercially available seafoods by Americans.

Meghan Lapp, Fisheries Liaison for Seafreeze Ltd. and Seafreeze Shoreside, commenting on the economic benefits of certification to their vessels and their customers stated, “This is an exciting step forward in recognition of a sustainable, underutilized fishery. The MSC certification adds value to the fishery and this recognition helps open up new food markets for new customers.”

Wayne Reichle, President of Lund’s Fisheries, commented, “We are excited to join Seafreeze in certifying the potential for the scup fishery, along with the MSC. Lund’s has been a leader in certifying its fisheries, with scup being the fourth MSC product we offer our customers. This new certification will help us present another locally-harvested sustainable fish to the public that they may not have heard of, seen, or eaten before.”

“The successful outcome of this fishery certification highlights yet another example of robust scientific assessment, research, management, and governance of fishery resources here in the United States,” said Brian Ahlers, Client Services Manager, SCS Global Services.