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Old 04-15-2019, 02:04 PM
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In the past I worked in Raritan Center, I would go down and cast small metals around the parkway bridge to get out of the office for a bit. I caught many 8-12 inch stripers there. It might be an indication they DO spawn in the RR...and have for at least 2 decades. The limited pressure they receive may be contributing to the growing run. ?
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:45 PM
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"" This current striped bass spring run seems better than last year's run. It has me raising my eyebrows wondering and trying to understand what might be going on. Are these bass staging to move up the Hudson to spawn? If so, aren't they a bit late for that? Maybe they are staging to move farther upstream into the Raritan to spawn? Where were they during the winter? Are any of them Chesapeake stock? "

Most of the fish in and around Raritan bay are staging for the spawning run up the Hudson.. and no it is not late for that.. it's right on time.. I've been fishing the Hudson spring run since the 70's.. I mostly fish the stretches 10-20 miles
either side of Kingston NY.. where much of the actual spawning takes place.. The timing of the run is pretty predictable.. I learned the ropes from a former fisheries biologist, who explained the run is triggered more by photo-period (day length) than anything else..and that has proven true over the years.. We'll see the 1st push of mostly schoolie males showing upriver about the 2nd week in April.. coincidentally, the Blueback Herring will start filtering in on their spawning mission about the same time.. by the end of the month, some of the bigger females will start showing up in numbers, and the schools continue to build up and mix through month of May.. Usually we'll see the "peak" of the run about mid May.. By the end of May, into early June temps get right for actual spawning to take place.. by the 2nd week of June most years its all over in the upper river ..as the temps get too warm and the fish drop back.. Fluctuating temps from year to year may effect how well they bite, and actual spawning times.. in warm springs it may end a week or 2 sooner, but the actual migration is very predictable.. and as usual, right on time..

Have fished the Hudson for decades for the spawners. You time tables are pretty much right on. Gonna get good soon!
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Old 04-15-2019, 06:23 PM
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In the past I worked in Raritan Center, I would go down and cast small metals around the parkway bridge to get out of the office for a bit. I caught many 8-12 inch stripers there. It might be an indication they DO spawn in the RR...and have for at least 2 decades. The limited pressure they receive may be contributing to the growing run. ?
Middle of the winter a lot of schoolies up by the New Brunswick area bridges too..
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:48 PM
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So, I guess we can conclude there are stripers that spawn in the Raritan River and will be spawning sometime in the next few days or weeks. If there are small fish around the area, they had to be hatched somewhere nearby. The Raritan Bay has already been identified as a staging area for spawning bass. We know that many of them do migrate up the Hudson where it is not uncommon to catch super-sized females up to almost Albany. While the N.J. season for stripers opens in Raritan Bay and the state's rivers on March 1st, the N.Y. state season opens on April 1st. Besides delaying the opening day of striper season on the Hudson, there are also some possession regulations. Their size limits primarily protect the medium sized females during the spawn. 1 fish between 18 and 28 inches total length OR 1 fish larger than 40 inches is what they allow.

If it appears the Raritan Bay fishery for striped bass should be better protected, perhaps there can be a comparable set of regulations similar to those of N.Y. state. Delaying the start of the season for striper fishing in the bay might be a compromise. But, as i mentioned before, a more complete study of the striper fishing in the Raritan River system including the Raritan Bay, is warranted. I'm assuming that since the bay area including the lower N.Y. harbor area is considered "marine" waters, adjusting any current regulations will be a challenge. Given the shared waters with Staten Island, finding a compromise will be even more difficult.

It's worth considering and might be a solution to the debate of whether to keep or not keep a pre-spawn bass.
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:34 AM
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So you think we should shut down Raritan bay in the spring and have no striped bass fishing, that should sit well with all the charter boats and party boats.
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Old 04-16-2019, 07:50 AM
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So you think we should shut down Raritan bay in the spring and have no striped bass fishing, that should sit well with all the charter boats and party boats.
Think Billfish said delay, not shut down. The alternative is ignore the trend and have regulators shut the season down all together so those same charter and party boats can run combined flounder and bass specials down the road in the spring. And if time allows, they can swing by the Cedars for some ling! Can't harvest what isn't there. that's where were headed if changes aren't made, people have been saying it for years.

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Old 04-16-2019, 09:17 AM
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WHOA!!! Let's slow down here... We're talking about people's recreation and livelihood here!!

While I agree people should be conscious of preserving the resource and releasing the female breeders, we don't need the state or the feds imposing a delayed or postponed season on us..

First of all, we already have some pretty strict recreational regulations here in NJ and in the federal waters outside the 3 mile line you can't keep a Striper. Here in NJ there is also a ban on commercial fishing. Besides, you know what happens each time the government gets involved... This opens up Pandora's Box and you'll have every environmentally extreme group looking to close the entire fishery down.... You give them a crack in the door, I can assure you they'll be looking to bust the door down.

Next, the timing is different each year and there are many different stocks involved.. Yes you obviously have the Hudson Stripers but may also have some Chesapeake Stripers in the mix that may have already spawned out...

I'm all for doing what we can to educate people about the breeding stocks and the choices they make about keeping breeders... What I don't want is the government forcing even more restrictive laws on us.

Bottom line is we've made some great strides in bringing the populations of Stripers back from where they were in 80's and made a lot of sacrifices in terms of regulations along the way. While I think we should be mindful of protecting the resource for the future, we should also be allowed to enjoy the fishery that's been rebuilt and provide reasonable access to the resource.. At the same time we should be educating the recreational fishermen in the area about the benefits of releasing fish this time of year and we don't need to involve the Government to do that. That's on all of us...

Be careful about what you wish for since it may have unintended consequences.
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WHOA!!! Let's slow down here... We're talking about people's recreation and livelihood here!!

While I agree people should be conscious of preserving the resource and releasing the female breeders, we don't need the state or the feds imposing a delayed or postponed season on us..

First of all, we already have some pretty strict recreational regulations here in NJ and in the federal waters outside the 3 mile line you can't keep a Striper. Here in NJ there is also a ban on commercial fishing. Besides, you know what happens each time the government gets involved... This opens up Pandora's Box and you'll have every environmentally extreme group looking to close the entire fishery down.... You give them a crack in the door, I can assure you they'll be looking to bust the door down.

Next, the timing is different each year and there are many different stocks involved.. Yes you obviously have the Hudson Stripers but may also have some Chesapeake Stripers in the mix that may have already spawned out...

I'm all for doing what we can to educate people about the breeding stocks and the choices they make about keeping breeders... What I don't want is the government forcing even more restrictive laws on us.

Bottom line is we've made some great strides in bringing the populations of Stripers back from where they were in 80's and made a lot of sacrifices in terms of regulations along the way. While I think we should be mindful of protecting the resource for the future, we should also be allowed to enjoy the fishery that's been rebuilt and provide reasonable access to the resource.. At the same time we should be educating the recreational fishermen in the area about the benefits of releasing fish this time of year and we don't need to involve the Government to do that. That's on all of us...

Be careful about what you wish for since it may have unintended consequences.

You really need to start paying attention to what the other states are doing and had happened with possible season closures.
What he posted is already happenin g in VA.
Instead of promoting catch and release and keeping the season open . It's going to more than likely close next week to recreational fishing entirely .
While our hudson fishery appears to be holding strong ,the chessy stocks are hurting .

Promoting catch and release here until after the bass spawn would allow fisherman to still chase bass here .
Keep the take what's legal side .get the season closed and everyone loses.
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Ask the charter boats in VA what they wished they had done now .instead of seeing their season closed.
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Old 04-16-2019, 10:39 AM
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Is the interest in early back bay striper fishing by so many fisherman with boats a recent occurrence? I believe the early season interest not so long ago was mostly by guys fishing from shore. If this is the case what has changed? Also I am surprised that the party boat fleet that use to start early in the season for winter flounder hasn't now switched over to this fishery yet? What's your take?
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Old 04-16-2019, 11:35 AM
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WHOA!!! Let's slow down here... We're talking about people's recreation and livelihood here!!

While I agree people should be conscious of preserving the resource and releasing the female breeders, we don't need the state or the feds imposing a delayed or postponed season on us..

First of all, we already have some pretty strict recreational regulations here in NJ and in the federal waters outside the 3 mile line you can't keep a Striper. Here in NJ there is also a ban on commercial fishing. Besides, you know what happens each time the government gets involved... This opens up Pandora's Box and you'll have every environmentally extreme group looking to close the entire fishery down.... You give them a crack in the door, I can assure you they'll be looking to bust the door down.

Next, the timing is different each year and there are many different stocks involved.. Yes you obviously have the Hudson Stripers but may also have some Chesapeake Stripers in the mix that may have already spawned out...

I'm all for doing what we can to educate people about the breeding stocks and the choices they make about keeping breeders... What I don't want is the government forcing even more restrictive laws on us.

Bottom line is we've made some great strides in bringing the populations of Stripers back from where they were in 80's and made a lot of sacrifices in terms of regulations along the way. While I think we should be mindful of protecting the resource for the future, we should also be allowed to enjoy the fishery that's been rebuilt and provide reasonable access to the resource.. At the same time we should be educating the recreational fishermen in the area about the benefits of releasing fish this time of year and we don't need to involve the Government to do that. That's on all of us...

Be careful about what you wish for since it may have unintended consequences.
Gerry so you disagree with what the data suggests in other words. SSB isn't down 40% and recruitment isn't down over 60% in a fishery where catch is made up of 90% recreational harvest. Be careful what we ask for I agree but if we don't change the decisions will be made not in our favor whether we ask or not. My post was meant to say be proactive so there's less social and economic impact going forward. I guess you take offense to that and would advise we stay the path that has once again led to a significant decline in a fishery and not do anything to reverse that trend. My apologies in advance but I simply don't agree with that philosophy. Ban me if you wish for stating my opinion but that is precisely what led to the collapse in the seventies and eighties because instead of addressing the problem we elected to look the other way. And when I say we I include recreational anglers, commercial operators but mostly Fishery Management in that statement.
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