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Old 09-07-2018, 02:49 PM
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First I don't think they should be charging at a state university site. Second I agree with most here, we barely have a winter fishery anymore. They close the season on specific fish and I can't remember the last whiting I caught(and don't tell me to go to New England). They'll cut the rec guys limits but the commercial 's are still cleaning the bottoms with no regards, Its a resource not a ecosystem to many of them. Winter is Dec 21! Nov is Fall striper season
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Old 09-07-2018, 03:42 PM
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First I don't think they should be charging at a state university site. Second I agree with most here, we barely have a winter fishery anymore. They close the season on specific fish and I can't remember the last whiting I caught(and don't tell me to go to New England). They'll cut the rec guys limits but the commercial 's are still cleaning the bottoms with no regards, Its a resource not a ecosystem to many of them. Winter is Dec 21! Nov is Fall striper season
Only charging if you show up in person and getting a venting tool...online is free. I don't see them limiting to only NJ residents as well, so maybe PA/NY people want to come, and they are not taxed to assist RU. Would you say the same thing if you went to an RU football game?

Second what does your comment (along with others regarding seasons/comms) having anything to do with the subject posted by the OP???
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Old 09-07-2018, 05:31 PM
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Cut the guy s break, if you are not interested stfu and move along
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Cut the guy s break, if you are not interested stfu and move along
Exactly! Dont want to participate than simply dont but stop all the paranoia on somehow getting screwed, you already have been and not by Rutgers.
Rutgers and Dr Doug are far from the enemy for recreational fishermen.

Dr Doug feel free to correct me if I am wrong but I also think these types of educational seminars are part of the compromise with NOAA that allowed us to stay at 18" Fluke vs 19" and be our own region.. Granted this is seabass but probably falls under that umbrella.

Also would be nice to get real data on mortality for all species. I for one am sick of losing 10% of our quotas on arbitrary mortality.
Instead of fighting the old commercial game that has gotten us no where prove you are concerned and interested in saving recreational fish and quotas by instead of bashing , participating in this and other conservation minded studies. If we would just prove its NOT US than it gets easier for our fight at the federal and state levels.
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Old 09-13-2018, 08:49 AM
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Thanks, Dale. We're working hard in terms of research and education programs here at Rutgers.

NJDEP's If You Can't Keep It, Save It! program focuses on summer flounder and was factored into setting the 2017 regulations:

https://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/fluke.htm

In terms of black sea bass, the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council published a fact sheet back in the spring that explains the management challenges despite an abundant stock:

http://www.mafmc.org/newsfeed/2018/r...abundant-stock

Here is a link to the summary of the most recent black sea bass stock assessment published in 2017. Page 17 has a graph of landings and discards of the commercial and recreational fisheries, with 61% of the 2015 total catch estimated to be from the recreational fishery:

https://www.nefsc.noaa.gov/publications/crd/crd1701/
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Old 09-16-2018, 07:03 PM
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Thank you for posting this and trying to help with the mortality rate of Black Seabass. You are more than likely being paid to do this so therefore a professional. Whatever we can do to preserve our stocks is tremendously important. I am not a professional just a recreational fisherman. To me our time and effort would be better served in devising a scientific means to determine a species biomass that does not include surveys. Our species are dependant on us not reducing stocks to extinction and asking people for data undermines this goal. Thanks again for your efforts.
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You do realize the winter offshore recreational fishery for Black Sea Bass no longer exists in New Jersey. We used to be allowed to fish in January and February, which in my opinion were the two best months, but not any more
Reducing mortality is not the goal here. The goal is to blame the recreational fisherman (again).
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Old 09-16-2018, 09:44 PM
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The amount of sea bass and other species I've witnessed over the years floating away as sea gull bait on deep water trips is disturbing and at times significant. Learning how to properly vent fish is something that can only help the resource. Andy I agree with you, it's a tough pill to swallow when probably every fish brought up in nets whether kept or released ends up dying but we can control only what's in our control. Every off shore captain should have a venting tools on board with mates who know how to use them, they cost only a few bucks. Any anglers who knows the technique and wants to assist, even better.

You can just as easily look online to learn what is a very simple technique, just need the tools and a little pratice. Can only help even thought it doesn't level the playing field. Would rather in all cases see a fish not harvested swim away than float to the back of the boat as a death sentence. Just my opinion.
Do you really think Sea Bass mortality from recreational fishermen in Nov Dec is significant? Whats it going to be? 300? 700? Maybe 1000 at the most? That is what a dragger can destroy in a couple minutes.
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Old 09-16-2018, 09:46 PM
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Hello Everyone,

Our Marine Extension Program Seminar Series (MEPSS) with Rutgers Cooperative Extension (RCE) is getting restarted for the fall and winter. This series will include a monthly seminar event covering topics related to fisheries, aquaculture, and coastal resource management.

The first fall seminar will be from 7:00-8:30 PM on Tuesday, September 25 at the Rutgers Cooperative Extension of Ocean County (1623 Whitesville Road, Toms River, NJ 08755). I'll be the speaker for the first event and will deliver a presentation on:

"Estimating and Reducing the Discard Mortality Rate of Black Sea Bass in Deepwater Recreational Fisheries"

The presentation will describe the results from a black sea bass tagging study that was conducted to estimate the discard mortality rate of black sea bass during the winter offshore recreational fishery, including recommended best capture and handling practices for reducing the discard mortality rate of black sea bass (e.g., swim bladder venting).

This seminar is open to all who are interested and will be a "HyFlex" seminar offering where you can participate live in-class or remotely via webinar.

Please register for in-class or webinar participation by Friday, September 21 by contacting Kelly Jurgensen (kjurgensen@co.ocean.nj.us | 732-349-1152).

In-Class: $10 Program Fee, includes VENTAFISH™ venting tool
Checks can be made out to "Ocean County Board of Agriculture"
and mailed in advance to the address above, or payment can also
be made via cash or check at the event.

Webinar: Free, but must register in advance

Please feel free to forward this announcement to anyone who might be interested and to contact me if you have any questions. We're looking forward to seeing many of you on Tuesday, September 25!

Thank You,
Doug
Doug - would you not agree that your time would be better spent documenting the loss of the fluke fishery because we are forced to take only breeders with the 18-19" limit? This recreational fishing industry is dying on your watch. If Rutgers does not do it, who will?
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Old 09-17-2018, 10:41 AM
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Venting tool!!!! Lol Take your marine fisheries class and follow the netters when they dump their bycatch. Wait just follow one vessel!!! Literally thousands of dead fish scattered on top of the water ..... And you want the rec guy to vent a fish to save the species. We all know what the problem is and we go on like sheep to the slaughter and allow!!
Wait better yet , dont take your classmates. higher undocumented immigrants , pack them all with vent tools , so you can get a write off, save money and make our healthcare costs go up and kill U.S. economy even more!!
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