NJF&G hypocritical trout regulations...

[NJSquatch]

pardon the pun but there is something FiSHY with some of these proposed regulations and this process

1. F&G is proposing regulations that they themselves have concluded there is little scientific evidence to support.

2.The digest article references a 2016 online survey for which I can't find the results. They state percentage of respondents. Is this based on 100 people or 10,000?

3. There is a provision that allows private fishing clubs to fish publicly stocked rivers on their private club property when the season is closed for the rest of us.

4.The public meeting location (Assunpink WMA) for these proposed regulations was held no where near the area of the state they are going to affect.

I appreciate the fishing diversity and opportunities that F&G give to NJ anglers but this has my spidey senses going nuts. I can't help but speculate that some of this is a hidden agenda from a well connected group.

Submit your comments to F&G.
http://www.nj.gov/dep/rules/comments/

Proposed Regulations
http://www.njfishandwildlife.com/new...proposal18.htm

[AndyS]

I think there was just an open comment public hearing on the 2018 fish code.

True, the people that attend meetings in force are TU groups and the like.

Best bet is start by going to your local county Federated Sportsmens meeting.
A lot of the ideas go to these people first before even becoming a thought.

ALL TU meetings are open to the public, just about every county has one.

Every spring F&G has a meeting open to the public so you can voice your opinion, last year at least 20 people went, very sad.

[AndyS]

hyp·o·crit·i·cal

/ˌhipəˈkridək(ə)l
adjective
adjective: hypocritical
behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.

How far do you want to go down the rabbit hole ??

It is my understanding that the State stocks some lakes with trout AND Muskellunge.

Trout Unlimited has TIC (Trout in the Classroom) where students raise trout and learn the importance of clean cold running water. The State stocks scum hole duck ponds.

Ken Lockwood Gorge a "no kill" stretch of water receives the same amount of trout as any other waters, just wrong.

8 years of zero returns on Sea Run Brown Trout, the program was supposed to be halted, never stopped them to continue past practices.

I could go on and on...................

[Chrisper4694]

The facts are all clear as day and every single angler that isnt a full time, narrow minded, fly fisherman should be very worried about where this is going.

[Mikey topaz]

Hahaha I think Eddie's last few sentences we're pretty spot on. In the spring when they are caught with powerbait and worms etc. Myself I fly fish just about all winter long in these artificial only stretches and I can say in the years past they used to be good very rare u would see a spinning guy in the fly stretches..... I remember some days I wanted to cover alot of water quick or running short on time I would use my spinning rod guys fly fishing at the gorge and peaquest mostly would actually give me shit walking by me harassing me about fishing with a spinning rod and plugs so if I had to guess I would say the same someone kissing someone s azz.... U gotta remember too Shannon's throws bubba in and just about every year bubba's caught on a spinning rod that's gotta piss the flys guys off haha not that I care,but same thing with the trout they stock..... Ps fish and game has needed to get their shit together for awhile now!!! U wanna save some trout how bout stop stocking these stupid scummy duck ponds with trout!

[Chrisper4694]

Originally Posted by Mikey topaz

Hahaha I think Eddie's last few sentences we're pretty spot on. In the spring when they are caught with powerbait and worms etc. Myself I fly fish just about all winter long in these artificial only stretches and I can say in the years past they used to be good very rare u would see a spinning guy in the fly stretches..... I remember some days I wanted to cover alot of water quick or running short on time I would use my spinning rod guys fly fishing at the gorge and peaquest mostly would actually give me shit walking by me harassing me about fishing with a spinning rod and plugs so if I had to guess I would say the same someone kissing someone s azz.... U gotta remember too Shannon's throws bubba in and just about every year bubba's caught on a spinning rod that's gotta piss the flys guys off haha not that I care,but same thing with the trout they stock..... Ps fish and game has needed to get their shit together for awhile now!!! U wanna save some trout how bout stop stocking these stupid scummy duck ponds with trout!

exactly...i don't have anything against fly fishing. I do it occasionally too. The point is that there is no where else this could have been started!

How does a minority like this get these kind of regulations on the table and at this point most likely passed!!!

That's the scary part! it's not even the actual regulations, that are contradictory to their own published scientific article from just last year; it's the fact that this is coming from a few privileged fly fishing elitists....and every single angler here, whether you fish for trout or not, should be very worried about THAT FACT!

click the link: http://www.nj.gov/dep/rules/comments/

let them know how disgusted you are, because i can promise you we drastically outnumber the few that want these regulations and we can make them regret even trying this!

[thmyorke1]

Just like with the regulation involving spring-stocked waters to be opened for private clubs, I have submitted my opposition to the rule.

I wasnt able to go to that meeting November 14th. How did that meeting go?

[Super]

It’s somewhat disturbing to me how much misinformation is here. Perhaps you should speak directly with the biologists. They’re always happy to come out to your club meetings.

[thmyorke1]

Originally Posted by Super

It’s somewhat disturbing to me how much misinformation is here. Perhaps you should speak directly with the biologists. They’re always happy to come out to your club meetings.

Misinformation in the proposed rules or in the thread? Sorry to ask but can you please clarify.

Otherwise, if you think some of the opinions posted in the thread are wrong, argue against them here.

[JDTuna]

Originally Posted by Super

It’s somewhat disturbing to me how much misinformation is here. Perhaps you should speak directly with the biologists. They’re always happy to come out to your club meetings.

Please specify. Btw, I did speak directly with the biologists. They echoed the same information that was concluded from the article, which was based on a literature review of the scientific studies researching hook mortality in trout. That consensus was the following:

"Overall, requiring the use of barbless hooks is not beneficial to trout populations and can reduce angler catch rates."

"The data is based on two major scientific papers which reviewed multiple studies; Taylor and White (1992, review of 18 hooking studies); and a review by Mongillo (1984). Both concluded that the number of hooks did not show a statistically significant relationship to hooking mortality. Mongillo (1984) concluded that little justification exists for gear restrictions for artificials and data even indicates that the practice of using single hooks on lures may actually cause higher mortality than treble hooks."

There is the science. The biologist I spoke with said the impetus for the reg changes was based on a survey, and an attempt to simplify the regs. Not science or sustainability of the fishery. Opinions of anglers who completed a survey that many were not even aware existed. Fisheries management should be based on the needs of the fish populations, with the goal of sustainability. Creating regulations that are based on the misconceptions of whoever took the survey (I highly doubt it was representative of all NJ anglers) is wrong, and is against the principles of proper management. I know this because I worked as a fisheries biologist tasked with management.

So please specify...what misinformation?