Another dead whale

[Gumada]

Originally Posted by dales529

Great Thread but once again simply turned from some intelligent research links from both sides to politics depending on what tabloid or entertainment news you pick. If Media is really the enemy in a free society than its the people that got stupid!

Sorry cant get my head around with the high exposure that there are "tugs" waiting in the wings to tow or cut / gas whales on site at the WF locations or anywhere else. IF true than all pro wind , anti wind, media, politicians and save the whales groups need to rethink their directive and job description.

We live in a world of drones, planes, social media whistle blowers so very hard to believe this could happen without massive proof.

Bottom Line most reasonable people and there are many in this thread are just looking for the truth and some definitive answers to the impacts now and going forward which is very much a work in progress.

Having said that I agree with the lack of transparency to the general public on the mammal deaths. One article says 6 of the 8 dolphins were rescued and 2 died yet another says all 8 died? Granted does NOT explain why a pod of 8 were stranded in the first place!

As far as Texas ( largest WF in the USA), I was going to say in the Union but went with UNITED STATES as many have lost sight of that and seem willing to repeat the past.

Germany going to coal and France etc. Not many facts on these statements

FACTS FROM MMCS WHO ORCHESTRATED THE RESCUE...

UPDATE 3/21/23 at 3:20pm: The remaining six dolphins were assessed by our veterinarian and their conditions were rapidly deteriorating. The decision was made to humanely euthanize the dolphins to prevent further suffering, as returning them to the ocean would have only prolonged their inevitable death. All eight dolphins have been transported to the NJ State Lab for immediate necropsies. We share in the public's sorrow for these beautiful animals, and hope that the necropsies will help us understand the reason for their stranding.
The Marine Mammal Stranding Center staff and veterinarian is currently on scene responding to a mass stranding event in Sea Isle City. A pod of eight Common dolphins has stranded, two of which have died at the time of this post. MMSC staff is being assisted by the Sea Isle City Police, Fire, EMS and Public Works Departments. We ask that the public please give the team space to do their work. We will provide updates when we have more information available, and our team is back from the scene. Thank you.

[Broad Bill]

Wind farms are energy, energy is government, government is politics and all this in my opinion is bound by the recent string of mammal deaths in our area which 100% coincides with the timing of the seismic testing. Personally I don't know how you separate them.

I replied to No Limit's post saying it post was interesting because I heard the same thing with one exception, which I noted. I didn't say what I heard was confirmed but I found it interesting that someone else heard a similar story.

Based on your reply, you don't seem to think with today's technology that the government is capable of doing something so covert that it would actually be able to keep it from the American public.

You no doubt have heard of the Manhattan project. That project, even though it occurred years ago, employed 125,000 Americans to work on the creation of the first atomic bomb without any of them knowing exactly what they were working on or the American public having any knowledge of the existence of the project. The bomb was subsequently tested by detonation in New Mexico with most Americans still unaware of the atom bomb's existence or what caused the explosion. If that can happen, even if it were years ago, I don't think it's a stretch to believe the federal government involving a one hundred plus billion dollar wind farm project would have any problem towing whales offshore and even sinking them to avoid evidence and questions that could risk the future of that project.

If there was merit to what's been posted, and I'm not saying there is, all the federal government and Orsted would have to do is have the people involved sign a non-disclosure agreement and the public would never have a clue about what's taking place offshore.

[dales529]

Originally Posted by Broad Bill

Wind farms are energy, energy is government, government is politics and all this in my opinion is bound by the recent string of mammal deaths in our area which 100% coincides with the timing of the seismic testing. Personally I don't know how you separate them.

I replied to No Limit's post saying his post was interesting because I heard the same thing with one exception, which I noted. I didn't say what I heard was confirmed but I found it interesting that someone else heard a similar story.

Based on your reply, you don't seem to think with today's technology that the government is capable of doing something so covert that it would actually be able to keep it from the American public.

You no doubt have heard of the Manhattan project. That project, even though it occurred years ago, employed 125,000 Americans to work on the creation of the first atomic bomb without any of them knowing exactly what they were working on or the American public having any knowledge of the existence of the project. The bomb was subsequently tested by detonation in New Mexico with most Americans still unaware of the atom bomb's existence or what caused the explosion. If that can happen, even if it were years ago, I don't think it's a stretch to believe the federal government involving a one hundred plus billion dollar wind farm project would have any problem towing whales offshore and even sinking them to avoid evidence and questions that could risk the future of that project.

If there was merit to what's been posted, and I'm not saying there is, all the federal government and Orsted would have to do is have the people involved sign a non-disclosure agreement and the public would never have a clue about what's taking place offshore.

I am not lost on the fact that "they" could or would suppress whale or dolphin deaths to limit exposure to the public. Just saying in todays internet / technology era it would be awfully difficult to hide this type of activity.

During the Manhattan Project there were no cell phones, Facebook, drones etc and back then people used to mind their own business and wouldn't buck the system like today.

The mere fact that a commercial guy claims to know this is happening and No Limit along with yourself have heard this may be happening means someone already violated their NDA and /or leaked covert operations! Given that I would expect there is proof of it somewhere or again its just conjecture.
If I am wrong will readily admit it.

[Gerry Zagorski]

Not sure if you all have seen this chart from NOAA but it paints a pretty telling story...

[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

Not sure if you all have seen this chart from NOAA but it paints a pretty telling story...

When the lead scientist Sean Hayes and NOAA's Chief of Protected Species, as I previously posted the link to the article, sends a memo to BOEM (Bureau of Ocean Energy Management) and NOAA warning of the concerns and impacts seismic testing and wind farm development will have on mammals which appears to have been completely ignored, that plus the chart you posted should give a pretty good indication of some of the risks associated with the development of wind farms as well as governments intentions to move forward regardless of those consequences.

[Broad Bill]

Originally Posted by dales529

The mere fact that a commercial guy claims to know this is happening and No Limit along with yourself have heard this may be happening means someone already violated their NDA and /or leaked covert operations! Given that I would expect there is proof of it somewhere or again its just conjecture.
If I am wrong will readily admit it.

Or maybe a commercial operator who didn't sign and isn't bound by an NDA witnessed this happening offshore. Or as you mentioned, maybe it's just a rumor and it never happened. All I'm saying is I heard the same rumor which I found interesting and I wouldn't put it past our government and the agencies governed with running this project from doing anything and everything to keep the public in the dark regarding consequences this project might be having on ocean resources and the marine environment. I'm not saying I'm right or anyone else is wrong, I just believe when there's 100 billion dollars at stake anything is possible.

[dales529]

Originally Posted by Broad Bill

Or maybe a commercial operator who didn't sign and isn't bound by an NDA witnessed this happening offshore. Or as you mentioned, maybe it's just a rumor and it never happened. All I'm saying is I heard the same rumor which I found interesting and I wouldn't put it past our government and the agencies governed with running this project from doing anything and everything to keep the public in the dark regarding consequences this project might be having on ocean resources and the marine environment. I'm not saying I'm right or anyone else is wrong, I just believe when there's 100 billion dollars at stake anything is possible.

Agreed and Hey we are not in conflict on this or enemies just looking for FACTS. IF the commercial operator NDA or NOT has real access to this information as witnessed to this happening offshore you don't think they would have taken a picture? I am as disgusted as you on the whale deaths but FACTS have to be in the mix and proof has to exist or its still a long thread of public opinion with nothing to back it up.

[Broad Bill]

I'm fully vested in fact based decisions. I think Sean Hayes memo to BOEM and NOAA is the most important fact on this thread and it's not conjecture. I think the timing of the vessel Fugro Enterprise conducting the seismic testing and the timing and location of the mammals that died are pretty compelling facts. If these deaths were from vessel strikes, we would've seen a lot more mammals washing ashore during the summer. To my knowledge, we didn't see one. At some point, along with data provided by science, common sense needs to be factored into the equation. The graph Gerry Zagorski just posted is also fact, very compelling and would appear to show a definite relationship between testing and mammal deaths. How long do the powers to be go before they admit that these are more than just random anomalies or coincidences and there is in fact problems with WF development on marine species. The problem we're going to find is there is no time frame and any adverse impacts from WF's will be deflected to other unsupported possibilities or blamed on consequences associated with climate change!

[shresearchdude]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

Not sure if you all have seen this chart from NOAA but it paints a pretty telling story...

That's not a NOAA product. Just someone that made it indicating that they used those sources for the chart.
So it's not a USCG product either.

[Broad Bill]

This on the other hand is a NOAA product directly from their lead scientist and Chief of Protected Species Sean Hayes last May warning of the impacts wind farm operation and development would have on marine life along the East Coast.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...les-months-ago

The graph Gerry Zagorski posted, whether by NOAA or from data provided in part by NOAA, fits like a glove into the warnings Mr Hayes brought to the attention of BOEM and NOAA almost a year ago. Everyone has to draw their own conclusions but I believe strongly that what we've seen happen over the last 3 months is Mr Hayes's warnings becoming a reality. If so, what will the ultimate impacts be to the ocean ecosystems and species that inhabited them when there's a 40,000% increase in Ocean based WF electric generation just between NY and NJ.