Is togging slow bc water is warm or fishing sux?

[Broad Bill]

Just another blow to a fishery which has been going south at a rapid rate for years. Between the amount of shorts kept by people who are above the law, the Asian live fish market demand and now this technology, the fishery will be a shadow of what it is today within a few years and it's already a fraction of what it was in it's heyday. I'm all for technology to heighten the outdoor experience but when it comes at the expense of entire fisheries you have to ask yourself if it's all worth it.

[Togfather2530]

Originally Posted by Duffman

I know it sounds vane as hell and a most could care less but.......that spot lock stowed in the bow really kills the looks of a good looking hull.

I couldn’t agree with that more lol. Looks like ass. Kind of like carrying a crossbow in the woods archery hunting. 🤣🤣🤣

[Togfather2530]

Originally Posted by togzilla

I opted for the Minn Kota Riptide Instinct which has an auto deploy so I am not getting up on my bow manually releasing and lifting the motor. Motor was around $6,100, Abyss Lithium battery $2,800, 3 bank charger $700 plus installation from Octopus Marine in Wall Twp. Again, not cheap at all but what about saltwater boating is cheap? Looked into Rhodan but from what I gathered their service for issues was not as good as Minn Kota and I just felt the Garmin Kraken was too new with no history behind it.
Some added benefits of the trolling motor is also fluke fishing. How many times have you been drifting with a good bite and then the wind and tide die and you have no drift? With the trolling motor I can create my own drift and use GPS locations to get on the exact drift prior to losing wind and tide. Also, I know some guys that are spot locking 50 ft from lobster pots and working them for Mahi. I boat out of Barnegat Light and we do not have any of the rock structure that you have up north like the Shrewsbury rocks, Rattlesnake etc. so a trolling motor really comes in handy when you are only working with wrecks. I have had the motor for 2 years with zero issues and basically the only maintenance is washing it down after every fishing trip. I would never have a boat without a trolling motor going forward. However, I agree that this is not good news for the Blackfish as every yahoo can now install a motor and get on the small pieces which use to be an art using two anchors.

Thanks Togzilla. I agree with that. I was thinking about that being useful for fluke fishing. Power drifting with one motor even on my boat kind of sucks bc you would have to be in and out of the motor and I have a pilot house so I have no interest in doing it. But I thought it would be nice to be able to use that to create a fluke drift. Thanks for the suggestions on brands. I figured it was 10 grand easy.

[Togfather2530]

Originally Posted by Broad Bill

Just another blow to a fishery which has been going south at a rapid rate for years. Between the amount of shorts kept by people who are above the law, the Asian live fish market demand and now this technology, the fishery will be a shadow of what it is today within a few years and it's already a fraction of what it was in it's heyday. I'm all for technology to heighten the outdoor experience but when it comes at the expense of entire fisheries you have to ask yourself if it's all worth it.

I can’t say that I disagree with that. The fluke fisheries in the toilet with their stupid regulations that have been intact and the tog fishing hasn’t been what it was although this year so far has been pretty good. The more I think about it, I relate this to archery hunting. I was always an average archer and shoot, traditional bows and compounds. It really irritates me how everybody wants to run out and be an archery hunter now and shoot a deer the easiest way they can. In Pennsylvania they allow crossbows in the early archery season now right from the gate, which is bullshit. They’re just desperate for license sales in the game commission. The truth of the matter is most human beings are lazy as hell and want the easiest way to do something. Shooting a deer with a crossbow is not shooting a deer with a bow. It’s totally nonsense. I’m OK with them having crossbow season if that’s what they choose to do, but then it should be later after the traditional archery season. The game commission didn’t have to even legalize the crossbow for that matter. New Jersey or any state for that matter doesn’t have to allow the spot locks for fishing. I guess the bottom line is your grandkids kids will be able to go out on the ocean and play around with all kinds of technology and get on whatever a little tiny piece they want but they won’t have anything below them to catch lol.

[Togfather2530]

Originally Posted by Tuna Tales

As I said, NJ should approve the same size and bag regulations as RI. This would help the NJ fishery overall.

NJ black fishing will improve as the water temperatures lower.

We had a good day wreck fishing on Sunday - just shy of a 3 man limit to 10 lbs. (just touched the 10 lb mark on the Boga). About 25 shorts.

15 lb PowerPro V2 with 40 lb top shot. 2 oz jig. 80 feet.


Joe T.

I looked at those Rhode Island regulations up. They have a unique way of doing it and I think it’s a good thing. As far as water temperatures needing to lower for fishing to be better I would have to disagree with that. Do an Internet search of the preferred water temperatures of a black fish and you might find it interesting.

[Togfather2530]

[QUOTE=Tuna Tales;591674]As I said, NJ should approve the same size and bag regulations as RI. This would help the NJ fishery overall.

NJ black fishing will improve as the water temperatures lower.

We had a good day wreck fishing on Sunday - just shy of a 3 man limit to 10 lbs. (just touched the 10 lb mark on the Boga). About 25 shorts.

15 lb PowerPro V2 with 40 lb top shot. 2 oz jig. 80 feet.


Joe T.[/

Also congratulations on you’re just there DD. If you don’t mind me asking, where are you fishing output of?

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by Togfather2530

I looked at those Rhode Island regulations up. They have a unique way of doing it and I think it’s a good thing. As far as water temperatures needing to lower for fishing to be better I would have to disagree with that. Do an Internet search of the preferred water temperatures of a black fish and you might find it interesting.

Colder water means fish need to move deep to be in water that’s comfortable to them .

Tons of inshore structure spread out the fish .

Less structure offshore concentrates the fish , and causes competition for the available food .
So while the bite slows down due to colder water, the bites from competition are usually more agressive .

I really enjoy catching them under 40’ , as IMO they fight twice as hard from start to finish not getting baratrauma .

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[bulletbob]

thats a valid observation.. "tog weather" and the need for December water temperatures is historically out of whack.. Years ago we had spectacular black fishing in 30 FOW in september and october, and no one fished tog after November as I stated earlier.. the reason so many fishermen think tog like 40 degree water is because as the numbers of fish decreased the fish were most available later in the season as they start to congregate on deep water wrecks from shallower rocky reefs[ say 20-40 FOW].. As a younger man the only time I recall most head boats fishing in 80+ FOW in Dec and Jan, was when they were Cod fishing.. No need to go after Tog In winter as there were several other options.. Nowadays because some Tog can be caught in pretty cold water on deep wrecks, we have this "ice water tog" concept so many younger anglers embrace.. Tog are not all that much of a cold water species.. They are a temperate species that much prefers 60 degree water rather than 40 degree water... bob


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[Togfather2530]

50-68
Preferably 50-60
Below 40 they go into a lethargic state more.

Ice togging 😂

[bulletbob]

The only thing that will take pressure off blackfish would be a monumental return of traditional winter saltwater species of the NY Bight ,, Whiting ,Ling, Cod, Winter Flounder.. When those fish were available no one saw the need to continue the hunt for Blackfish all winter long. The way things look I won't live to see the return of those cold water species...