New York Times: "Fish seek cooler waters"

[fishguy]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail....

The meaning here is you can find data to support whatever it is you are looking for... If investigating global warming or managing fisheries....

If you are being paid to manage a fishery then you'll get data to support the fact that it needs to be managed.

If you are a scientist being paid to assess global warming or a company that profits from it you'll find data to support it.

It's human nature.

I'm not saying that fisheries don't need to be managed or global warming is not taking place. What I'm saying is there is evidence on both sides but the evidence that supports anything counter to a particular groups agenda is not being taken into account.

Yeah but where's the evidence that Climate Change ISN'T happening as a result, at least in part, from human activity? It doesn't exist. That's the problem with the climate change deniers, false equivalency arguments. "My unfounded and throughly unqualified opinion trumps your decades of peer reviewed science!"

The scientists were wrong sometimes, it happens. It happens because it's science. Religion is never wrong. Science occasionally is. But after 30 or 40 years of theorizing then confirming this hypothesis we're now going to say that they're wrong because the wanted the research money? I got news for you, those eggheads at MIT might be well payed but not nearly as well payed as the executives at Exxon/Mobil.
Just look out over the NYC skyline from the water on any given day. That constant brown haze of millions of tons of carbon being pumped into the atmosphere never stops. Everyday 24-7-365. All over the world. Billions and billions of us. How can it NOT have an effect? Common sense, not science, is all that's needed to know that.

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by fishguy

Religion is never wrong.

Religion is faith-based; science is fact-based. Which "religion is never wrong"?

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by fishguy

Yeah but where's the evidence that Climate Change ISN'T happening as a result, at least in part, from human activity? It doesn't exist. That's the problem with the climate change deniers, false equivalency arguments. "My unfounded and throughly unqualified opinion trumps your decades of peer reviewed science!"

The scientists were wrong sometimes, it happens. It happens because it's science. Religion is never wrong. Science occasionally is. But after 30 or 40 years of theorizing then confirming this hypothesis we're now going to say that they're wrong because the wanted the research money? I got news for you, those eggheads at MIT might be well payed but not nearly as well payed as the executives at Exxon/Mobil.
Just look out over the NYC skyline from the water on any given day. That constant brown haze of millions of tons of carbon being pumped into the atmosphere never stops. Everyday 24-7-365. All over the world. Billions and billions of us. How can it NOT have an effect? Common sense, not science, is all that's needed to know that.

I'm all for taking care of the environment as I'm sure most on here are.... I've fished in waters in the Raritan Bay in the late 70s and early 80s that were so visibly polluted it was disgusting.

On the climate change side, there are as many articles to dispute it as there are to support it.. Like this one http://www.dailywire.com/news/9767/9...-aaron-bandler where people were caught red handed cooking the books.

At lot of money at stake here which can't be denied..

[Abrasion]

Southern Species are here. Had a day where I caught AmberJack all day long on peanuts in one of my spots, not to mention The state record redfish in CT was caught this year

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

I'm all for taking care of the environment as I'm sure most on here are.... I've fished in waters in the Raritan Bay in the late 70s and early 80s that were so visibly polluted it was disgusting.

On the climate change side, there are as many articles to dispute it as there are to support it.. Like this one http://www.dailywire.com/news/9767/9...-aaron-bandler where people were caught red handed cooking the books.

At lot of money at stake here which can't be denied..

As our real knowledge of man-made global climate change increases, conservative web sites and personalities like Breitbart, Daily Wire and its founder Ben Shapiro, Aaron Bandler, and other non-scientist climate science deniers will nonetheless continue to attack real experts with cherry-picked anomalies of dubious importance, and with the kind of spin and sophistry rampant in the "9 Things You Need..." article. Most of us really need to know a lot more than 9 things about something so vitally important to the quality of our lives and the future of humanity, and we should all choose to get our information from far more reliable sources than a few special-interest lawyers and journalists with an obvious agenda and so little regard for facts. There may be as many articles to dispute [science] as there are to support it, but there certainly aren't anywhere near as many agencies, groups, and climate scientists worldwide who blindly reject scientific findings as blatantly as Bandler and his cronies do:
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/basics/
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/indicators/
http://www.globalchange.gov/
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weathe...ny-mo/51910210
http://www.nature.org/about-us/worki...c=nature.promo
http://wwf.panda.org/about_our_earth/aboutcc/
http://environment.nationalgeographi...ming/big-thaw/
https://www.ama-assn.org/ssl3/ecomm/.../H-135.938.HTM
http://www.climatechange.gc.ca/defau...n&n=E18C8F2D-1
http://www.global-climate-change.org.uk/
http://www.climatehotmap.org/
http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/po...atechange.html
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming#.VdcX0ZcTEj0
https://www.edf.org/climate/human-ac...global-warming
http://america.aljazeera.com/article...te-change.html
http://www.scientificamerican.com/to...limate-change/
http://www.polarbearsinternational.o...climate-change
http://www.climatechangeinaustralia.gov.au/en/
https://www.climatechange.govt.nz/science/
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/201.../#.VdcZzpcTEj0

[bulletbob]

Originally Posted by Abrasion

Southern Species are here. Had a day where I caught AmberJack all day long on peanuts in one of my spots, not to mention The state record redfish was caught this year

Meaningless.. Tropical species have been caught in the NY Bight as long as people have been fishing.. they are here many years in summer.. some years some species show up, other years they don't...
150 years ago Sheepshead Bay was loaded with Sheepshead, and they disappeared... Did the water get too cold for them??..
The NY Bight is a very unique marine habitat.-For those that know anything about marine fish migrations anyway.
It is a transitional zone.. Tropical, semi tropical, temperate, and cold water species more common in the Gulf of Maine and northward live together here at various times.. Raritan Bay has both lobsters and blue crabs, one species associated with warm water, the other with cold... Its fairly common to catch a winter flounder or small cod while bottom fishing in early fall, along with triggerfish and perhaps a small grunt or smooth puffer.. These species don't mix along much of the coastline of the eastern US, but they do in NJ.. catching tropicals in the summer or cold water species in winter or spring has been going on in NJ forever... I personally read nothing int it... bob

[Joey Dah Fish]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

Religion is faith-based; science is fact-based. Which "religion is never wrong"?

Science is theory

[reason162]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

Religion is faith-based; science is fact-based. Which "religion is never wrong"?

Pretty sure that was sarcasm, as in unfalsifiable claims being worthless etc.

[reason162]

Originally Posted by Joey Dah Fish

Science is theory

That doesn't even begin to make sense. Care to elaborate?

[NoLimit]

"Yeah but where's the evidence that Climate Change ISN'T happening as a result, at least in part, from human activity"

Its not possible to prove that something does NOT exist. Also, cut the BS about "Climate Change". Canadians just got a new tax based on "Climate Change" and that means they are paying 2.5% more with this Global Warming propaganda.