NMFS proposes to reduce the hake possession limit

[fishguy]

I just want to get this straight. You think that unlimited millions of dollars being "donated" to political candidates is NOT the problem? The problem is people who engage in their Democratic duty as citizens in a Democracy by voting? Is that what you are saying? I think that's what you're saying. Soooooo...people shouldn't vote? They should vote for someone else? Not going to happen because no matter who runs the amount of money needed to compete is so huge that everyone has to play the fund raising game. As long as unlimited cash is flowing the entire system is corrupted.


[QUOTE=Joey Dah Fish;398346]

Originally Posted by fishguy

So you are ok with corporations being "people" and able to "donate" unlimited funds to our elected officials?
I'm not ok with that. At all.
Not for nothing, General Electric, the multi billion dollar company, doesn't pay diddly squat in taxes.[/QUOTE
Yes I am. The problem is stupid people voting. Oh and by the way the the amount of people that they all employ dump tons of money into the tax revenue. They pay healthcare pensions etc. Don't blame the companies blame the people who vote for the idiots

[dfish28]

Soooo...., anyone hear bunker are around!

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

I'm confused here but that's nothing new and I think maybe we are looking at this from a totally different perspective and we might be saying the same thing.

My argument is not about the money being made by Commercial Guys or the Conservationist. It's about how those groups can influence our political system.

Yes, the Commercial Fishing Industry makes more money if the laws and quotas are favorable to them. What I'm saying is the politicians making the laws are the ones who are profiting by taking money from their Lobbyists.

Conservationist group motives are a bit different... It's not money they are after it's promoting their ideology. If they win their conservation agenda gets advanced. However that is not to say these groups don't throw money and votes around and influence politicians making the laws just like the Commercial interests do.

Read this http://fishtruth.net/

[Joey Dah Fish]

[QUOTE=fishguy;398393]I just want to get this straight. You think that unlimited millions of dollars being "donated" to political candidates is NOT the problem? The problem is people who engage in their Democratic duty as citizens in a Democracy by voting? Is that what you are saying? I think that's what you're saying. Soooooo...people shouldn't vote? They should vote for someone else? Not going to happen because no matter who runs the amount of money needed to compete is so huge that everyone has to play the fund raising game. As long as unlimited cash is flowing the entire system is corrupted.


No I'm saying people need to vote. But not the stupid ones that just vote to line their own pockets with entitlement programs. I think if you are on the dole you should be able to vote . Except people on social security they paid in

[fishguy]

I think you are saying people "on the dole" should NOT be allowed to vote. I'm not even going there.

America, for all the chest thumping we do about Freedom and Democracy, has a pathetic voter turn out. We love us some Constitutional Rights, baseball and apple pie but as a nation we are terrible at voting. Anything approaching 55% is considered a good turn out. Just over half of eligible voters. How lame is that? And then people complain about the government. Well, you get out what you put in. In my opinion, if you don't vote than you should STFU about anything related to gov't.

[bunker dunker]

this is the same old story over and over again.we march,no change...we vote,no change.we start groups,no change.sea bass is in good shape but cut the rec guys take.is been going on for years and years.my grandfather told me way back when they put the first size limit on fluke that once they did it they would keep right on taking.

[Joey Dah Fish]

Originally Posted by fishguy

I think you are saying people "on the dole" should NOT be allowed to vote. I'm not even going there.

America, for all the chest thumping we do about Freedom and Democracy, has a pathetic voter turn out. We love us some Constitutional Rights, baseball and apple pie but as a nation we are terrible at voting. Anything approaching 55% is considered a good turn out. Just over half of eligible voters. How lame is that? And then people complain about the government. Well, you get out what you put in. In my opinion, if you don't vote than you should STFU about anything related to gov't.

That's correct people on the role should not be able to vote period. They have no skin in the game they shouldn't be able to vote for an increase in the pay check they don't work for period. You should have to be a contributing to society citizen period

[Capt Sal]

It should be mandatory that everyone that the right to vote ''must'' vote.

[Joey Dah Fish]

Originally Posted by Capt Sal

It should be mandatory that everyone that the right to vote ''must'' vote.

That's communism. Not freedom.

[fishguy]

Originally Posted by Joey Dah Fish

That's communism. Not freedom.

Umm, I don't think you know what communism is.

Compulsory voting is fairly common in some western democracies. As much as I fear the general stupidity of the average American I think mandatory voting for every eligible voter could be a good thing. Make Election Day a national holiday so nobody has the excuse of having to work.

As for not letting anyone "on the dole" vote, you mean anyone getting gov't assistance, right? So no welfare recipients, anyone getting food stamps, Medicaid, Medicare, social security, unemployment, disability, gov't student loans or tax credits (which might as well be counted as a handout)
Who's left?