JCAA Alert - FLUKE Hearing

[RussA]

Originally Posted by Fish The Drop Off

Just wanted to ask this question. What about the guys in south jersey that fish both nj and del waters. Del has a 16 in fluke fish. Is it fair to them?

I guess maybe NJ should be grouped with the southern states.

In Delaware it's 17" and creel of 4.

[Capt Sal]

Originally Posted by RussA

Hey Capt Sal you must have not been there in years as the Bay is now filled up with fishing boats.

All new names some old, but coming back.

The only boat I know of from the Bay that went to NJ was the Dorthy B.

Can you tell me another boat that has moved to NJ from NY?

For a young guy you seem to think you know a lot.I was there in the bay way before you were on this earth.The bay is not full of boats what so ever.There are no where near the amount of boats fishing Raritan Bay as there were 10 or 15 years ago.Old Orchard Shoal use to be loaded with boats in the month of May.This no longer is the case.NJ party and charter boats stay out of NY waters during the fluke season because of the size limit.
There are many private boats moving to NJ let alone for hire boats.I do not want to see any for hire boat go out of business.What years do think the fluke fishing sucked?I think the fluke fishing was better years ago than today,of coarse I am not judging that on your expertise lol Size limit is the main culprit.It is not in our best interest to team up with NY.When NY and NJ are on the same page it would be beneficial to both states to work together.Politics will always prohibit this.

[RussA]

Originally Posted by Capt Sal Cathy Sea Charters

For a young guy you seem to think you know a lot.I was there in the bay way before you were on this earth.The bay is not full of boats what so ever.There are no where near the amount of boats fishing Raritan Bay as there were 10 or 15 years ago.Old Orchard Shoal use to be loaded with boats in the month of May.This no longer is the case.NJ party and charter boats stay out of NY waters during the fluke season because of the size limit.
There are many private boats moving to NJ let alone for hire boats.I do not want to see any for hire boat go out of business.What years do think the fluke fishing sucked?I think the fluke fishing was better years ago than today,of coarse I am not judging that on your expertise lol Size limit is the main culprit.It is not in our best interest to team up with NY.When NY and NJ are on the same page it would be beneficial to both states to work together.Politics will always prohibit this.

I would appreciate you not taking childish jabs at me, thanks.

You're at 5 fish at 17 1/2" but a shorter season now after that meeting from what I heard. NY will soon be 4 at 18 and have a longer season, and over the course of the next 2 years New Jersey will over fish fluke and you size limit will increase and have a shorter season.In 2016 NJ will feel the pain then we will see how much you want to join forces. NJ doesn't seem to be big picture people.

Do you really believe NJ will get away with anything anymore?

This is how the game has been played, you of all people should know how the game is played.

[Reel Class]

...And it's in-fighting, in public, like this, that makes US look bad

[Dupes]

You should be fighting against the regulators, not each other.

[Angler Paul]

Glad to see all the major NJ fishing groups are on the same page. Here is a good article from the APP as to what transpired at the hearing.

http://www.app.com/article/20140116/...-plan-rejected

Paul Haertel
President JCAA

[Dupes]

Paul, thanks for the link.

[Ttmako]

Here is my take.
The proposed amendment is about allocating the harvest limit. I’m concerned the limit is artificially low because of extremely poor effort and catch estimates. The new MRIP survey data is just as poor as the MRFSS data.
The next time you are surveyed, either in person or over the phone, tell them how infrequently you go out and how little you catch. They take the data and extrapolate it to the registered fisherman in your area. This is not a time to boast and tell them how much you fish and catch. If the regulators insist on using a flawed methodology, then we need to provide them with our "poor effort" statistics.
Instead of debating slicing up the artificially low allowable catch, regulators would be better off accurately measuring effort and landings data.

[RussA]

Originally Posted by Reel Class

...And it's in-fighting, in public, like this, that makes US look bad

I was not fighting nor taking petty jabs at people like your fellow Capt, Capt Sal.

I was actually looking at the big picture and not the NJ mentality of NY just wants our fish talking point.

The bottom line is most NY and NJ captains fish in both waters for fluke and stripers and need to band together to get a solid plan going ourselves for both a good legal size limit and creel limit.

You fight for yourselves and in a few years you will get squashed like a bug, because the proof is in the pudding and the pudding was NY over the last 10 years.

It really is that simple.

Together we stand divided we fall!

[RussA]

Originally Posted by Dupes

You should be fighting against the regulators, not each other.

You do realize Paul is fighting NY, don't you?