Another dead whale today …..

[AndrewT]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

Sounds familiar. “Trust the fossil fuel industry and its right-wing media shills”

Don’t get me wrong, both sides skew science, data, etc. I’m not a fan of politicians. But what is the harm with shutting down the project for awhile to do more studies?. If a republican governor green lighted a fracking project and abnormally high wildlife deaths were occurring at the same time , would you be ok with the project continuing?

[bulletbob]

Look, I don't want to pile up on any of our forum mates..
Its just that the argument doesn't hold water..

These animals entire lives are based around sonar.. They use it to find each other, to find food,, to navigate, to avoid obstructions etc...

I would imagine that anything that disrupts the functionality of their natural sonar capability might cause MAJOR problems,,, To the point where they might beach themselves, lose the ability to know how deep they are , possibly drown, run into one another... I dunno, the possibilities are pretty substantial...
NO correlation????... yeah, having a tough time with that concept.... bob

[bulletbob]

btw, Just to be clear, their "natural sonar", is not actually sonar.. Its called echolocation, and its a well documented fact that it is disrupted badly by sonar..

[bulletbob]

Research has recently shown that beaked and blue whales are sensitive to mid-frequency active sonar and move rapidly away from the source of the sonar, a response that disrupts their feeding and can cause mass strandings. [2] Some marine animals, such as whales and dolphins, use echolocation or "biosonar" systems to locate predators and prey.
Marine mammals and sonar - Wikipedia


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_mammals_and_sonar

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by bulletbob

Look, I don't want to pile up on any of our forum mates..
Its just that the argument doesn't hold water..

These animals entire lives are based around sonar.. They use it to find each other, to find food,, to navigate, to avoid obstructions etc...

I would imagine that anything that disrupts the functionality of their natural sonar capability might cause MAJOR problems,,, To the point where they might beach themselves, lose the ability to know how deep they are , possibly drown, run into one another... I dunno, the possibilities are pretty substantial...
NO correlation????... yeah, having a tough time with that concept.... bob

No correlation has been scientifically established, at least yet. It's unlikely that sonic mapping by the wind industry is doing something that years of similar and more intense activity related to offshore drilling failed to do. Stayed tuned...

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by AndrewT

Don’t get me wrong, both sides skew science, data, etc. I’m not a fan of politicians. But what is the harm with shutting down the project for awhile to do more studies?. If a republican governor green lighted a fracking project and abnormally high wildlife deaths were occurring at the same time , would you be ok with the project continuing?

What is the harm with shutting down new offshore drilling projects for a while to do more studies? The harmful effects of sonar on marine life have been known for decades.

[bulletbob]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

What is the harm with shutting down new offshore drilling projects for a while to do more studies? The harmful effects of sonar on marine life have been known for decades.

yeah, tell that to the locals and the charter captains that enjoy some of the most spectacular fishing in the world around those horrible oil platforms in the Gulf... They are loaded with marine life... As will the offshore wind farms one day I suppose...

[AndrewT]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

The harmful effects of sonar on marine life have been known for decades.

So then just state you’re ok with whales dying at high numbers for the sake of wind farms.

If this was a oil project instead of wind and the same thing was happening, I would absolutely want it shut down while looking for solutions.

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by bulletbob

yeah, tell that to the locals and the charter captains that enjoy some of the most spectacular fishing in the world around those horrible oil platforms in the Gulf... They are loaded with marine life... As will the offshore wind farms one day I suppose...

Neither industry's existing platforms require new mapping, and they're not credibly linked to the recent NY/NJ whale deaths.

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by AndrewT

So then just state you’re ok with whales dying at high numbers for the sake of wind farms.

If this was a oil project instead of wind and the same thing was happening, I would absolutely want it shut down while looking for solutions.

I didn't say I'm ok with whales dying in high numbers for any reason.