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[lenny bent rod]

Good one Gerry, and I thought I was going fishing to get away from the beauacratic B S. Will it ever end?

[Pennsy Guy]

Originally Posted by lenny bent rod

Good one Gerry, and I thought I was going fishing to get away from the beauacratic B S. Will it ever end?

NO..it'll only get worse...instead of a light haze, it'll be a "pea soup" fog and IMO it's not that far in the future no matter how hard we in the fishing community fight, unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong, but..........

[Gerry Zagorski]

Don't mean to get political here so lets' just say, this is a direct result of big government. Even with the best intentions in mind government programs mutate...

Health care as an example.... Most people think health care should be accessible to everyone and practically one of your inalienable rights as a US Citizen....I think and still think we need universal health care but what they did mutated into what we have now....

Fisheries management... Most people agreed that something had to be done to protect the resources and I think we'd all agree on that. Magnuson Steves act comes along and look what we have now.... Over managed fisheries and people thinking we should pay for fish.

Tolls on the parkway that were supposed to be to pay for the road work or a bridge and would be taken down after it was paid for.... Look what we have now.

In all 3 examples our money is being used to hire more staffers to run these programs which consumes all the money slighted to actually do things to help a given situation. It also creates top positions in the Government who the politicians that are elected get to appoint and the appointees are there because they did a political favor for the elected official.

It's a vicious cycle perpetuated by all parties as well as state and local governments and we are all on the merry go round

Get out and vote and get involved in organizations that protect our interests, not the governments.

I feel better now that I got that off my chest... Carry on

[Striper80]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

Don't mean to get political here so lets' just say, this is a direct result of big government. Even with the best intentions in mind government programs mutate...

Health care as an example.... Most people think health care should be accessible to everyone and practically one of your inalienable rights as a US Citizen....I think and still think we need universal health care but what they did mutated into what we have now....

Fisheries management... Most people agreed that something had to be done to protect the resources and I think we'd all agree on that. Magnuson Steves act comes along and look what we have now.... Over managed fisheries and people thinking we should pay for fish.

Tolls on the parkway that were supposed to be to pay for the road work or a bridge and would be taken down after it was paid for.... Look what we have now.

In all 3 examples our money is being used to hire more staffers to run these programs which consumes all the money slighted to actually do things to help a given situation. It also creates top positions in the Government who the politicians that are elected get to appoint and the appointees are there because they did a political favor for the elected official.

It's a vicious cycle perpetuated by all parties as well as state and local governments and we are all on the merry go round

Get out and vote and get involved in organizations that protect our interests, not the governments.

I feel better now that I got that off my chest... Carry on

I think it's more sinister than that. Seems like more of a money grab than a byproduct of a growing staff.

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by Striper80

I think it's more sinister than that. Seems like more of a money grab than a byproduct of a growing staff.

You may be right Striper... But it's not like they are going to take the money and put it in a mattress or go out to dinner... It will go to fund the activities of managing the fishery.... Scientists, staff, enforcement.

Each of these government agencies fight for more money and more staff every year... They never try to do more with less because they know they will get a lesser budget next year. I'm sure you've heard the stories of these agencies going out on a buying spree or filling unfilled positions at the end of the year for that reason... Spend it or loose it and you don't get it next year.

In fairness this happens in the private sector as well since bureaucracies exists in large bloated companies too.

The bigger you get the more bureaucracy there is, government or private sector.

[CaptMarc]

I will gladly pay you Tuesday for an extra couple fish today. In other words, you can keep all the fish you want, as long as you don't get caught not sending in a check.

[Topeka Boy]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

Total crap and another money grab... Same thing as catch shares for the commercials. Pay money and take all you want.

The species is in trouble and needs to be protected.... But if you send us money you can take what you want.

Totally Agree Gerry this is more bullshit that proves if you pay the Govt you can do what you want. I never thought for a moment they want to protect the stock.