Hook and Line Permits

[Life's A Beach]

Everyone has to earn a living. It would be nice if the recreational fisherman wasn't always getting the short end of the stick though.

If the season is open within state waters for pin hookers, then it should be open for recreational fishermen also. and if said commercial fishermen are in state waters then they should have to abide by the same size limit as the recreational guys.

Is the permit for ONE MAN in ONE BOAT to catch 400# per day? THAT would be a good day, even keeping 14" fish. If it's per boat............3 or 4 guys pulling.........at the Bug Light, this time of year.........HOME FOR LUNCH















I'd LOVE to see an ACCURATE account of how many WINTER flounder are caught/harvested in 2010. With no one fishing for them recreationally........the numbers have to be 90% commercial.

[broken bobber]

Senseless post as ALL THE ACTIVITIES mentioned are totally legal.... It's not like no one knows of these permits... like they just fell out of the sky and landed on these boats where ever the are docked....

And ... if ya dont know now ya know.....

[msgold]

Originally Posted by broken bobber

Senseless post as ALL THE ACTIVITIES mentioned are totally legal.... It's not like no one knows of these permits... like they just fell out of the sky and landed on these boats where ever the are docked....

And ... if ya dont know now ya know.....

I am not going to get into any crazy battles with you, but I could. Senseless Post to you, might not be for everyone else. I forgot you know everything "it's been a long time". As Lab said it would have been nice to start Fluke fishing May 2nd, we should all have the same start date. Just my opinion.

[El Pescador]

They should issue more of these permits its much better than scraping the bottom dry with trawlers and throwing back dead bycatch..

[broken bobber]

Originally Posted by msgold

I am not going to get into any crazy battles with you, but I could. Senseless Post to you, might not be for everyone else. I forgot you know everything "it's been a long time". As Lab said it would have been nice to start Fluke fishing May 2nd, we should all have the same start date. Just my opinion.

But you could ? ...hahahahah.....No battles needed....you are crying over something that is totally legal.... And if Capt G didnt mention it to you ya would still be clueless over it.... But again as others stated, its legal and the few who have these permits are putting food on their families table like you, me and anyone else here that works and I DON'T begrudge that....

or maybe the first trip we dont get a fluke limit i will publicly blame these permit holders...how rediculous is that....

if ya dont like the rules...lobby to have them changed, but get there before 6pm

[Bird Chaser]

LAB I will tell you what little I know about this.

#1 The permit is for the boat. I think you can have as many pullers as you want.

#2 Their season is often closed when the recreational season is open. That means they can't catch fluke while you can. They get shutdown when the draggers fill the quota because they are in the same pool.

They get a very small % of the commercial quota. The good thing is there is no slaughtering of bycatch like the draggers do because of the way they fish for em.They also do not destroy the bottom the way draggers do.

I am just telling you how it is. You don't have to like it, as we all feel that the regulations are unfair. I know your a concerned angler and I understand why you feel the way you do, but don't take it out on these guys. It's not their fault.

Gulp Queen I didn't hear you complaining when Jeff purchased his RSA permit and I would venture to say that a good number of people from this site would have been out fishing for fluke when the season was closed for those without RSA permits, had the state allowed Jeff to use his permit. But somehow this was ok with the majority of the people that wanted to catch fluke when they closed the season.

No personal attacks here. I'm just saying "Your barking up the wrong tree."

I know Capt George was trying to show these kids a good time today and his heart was in the right place. But I must say that I don't think gut hooking fish and releasing them was a good idea. I find it a bit hypocritical to complain about a few guys trying to make a legal living, and then say that you targeted a fish that is out of season, when you know some of those fish will die. BTW I'm all for showing kids a good time and I know that was his intention.

I dont post often and I will probably get crucified for this post. I am entitled to my opinion and I am not here to win a popularity contest.

Now I opened up a whole other can of worms. Let the personal attacks begin. I'm a big boy. I can take it.

[CaptTB]

Originally Posted by Life's A Beach

Everyone has to earn a living. It would be nice if the recreational fisherman wasn't always getting the short end of the stick though.

If the season is open within state waters for pin hookers, then it should be open for recreational fishermen also. and if said commercial fishermen are in state waters then they should have to abide by the same size limit as the recreational guys.

Why? They are not recreational fishermen. The fish they catch do not come from the recreational quota. These are commercial hook and line fishermen. It has nothing to do with you, with recreational fish or recreational fishermen. They have their own quota (commercial) that they fish on, same as a potter, same as a dragger.

Should the draggers only be allowed to fish when you can? Most hook and line permits have a limit to the number of pullers, but that is irrelevant.

Whether there are 2 or 10, it is no different than how many people work on a dragger. The fish are not going home in your cooler, they are being sold like every other commercially caught fish. The boat has both a limit to how many people can fish and it has a trip limit, just like a dragger.

Why are we even talking about LEGAL commercial fluke fishing in this forum? Why even start a post about a legal form of commercial fishing that is less destructive to the environment and fish than any other form of commercial fishing and that has existed since the dawn of time. Commercial hook and line permits have existed for decades. They have a quota, we have a quota. They can fish when their quota is available. Their quota is broken up into 4 parts and 4 time periods. At any point the quota for a given period is caught, they are shut down and cannot begin fishing again till the next time period opens.

Why wasn't anyone pissing and moaning when the commercial boats were catching fluke in January and February?

[Capt. Lou]

Amen, Capt TB , I would much rather support hook & line pin hookers than a comercial boat that destroys bottom & who knows how many species of fish in its wake!! One thing for sure this pin hooker is not going over his limit by thousands of LBS, but if any good at all it does count against the commercial quota!
Unfortunately for us "THEY " are both legal!!

[Jigsmith]

Wow, so unneccesary. As was said it's perfectly legal. A little fact checking goes a long way before ranting on the internet...

[jigman90]

Originally Posted by GregW93

They are called pin hooking permits. They fall under the commercial category and there are a total of 10 issued in this state. They are not doing anything illegal just making a living. They also fall under the 14" a fish size limit. Not much you can do about it.

I say there is a lot we could do about it! post there pictures of the boats and we can get a fleet to do circles around them all day they won't catch any fish and we can say we were just crusing all day
our gov't at its finest!!