Another dead whale

[dales529]

Originally Posted by shresearchdude

That's not a NOAA product. Just someone that made it indicating that they used those sources for the chart.
So it's not a USCG product either.

But is it Factual?

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by dales529

But is it Factual?

Trying to get in touch with the person who put this chart together and if I do I will report back here....

[Gumada]

Originally Posted by dales529

But is it Factual?

But where is the data rebutting ? All we hear is it isn’t the seismic blasting...there are no coincidences...

[dales529]

Originally Posted by Gumada

But where is the data rebutting ? All we hear is it isn’t the seismic blasting...there are no coincidences...

Gerry is looking into the validity of the chart. Nothing to rebut until we know more
While I agree that there are coincidences but those are NOT Facts, There are also conjecture / theories embedded in this thread that need to be sorted out for FACT. Just looking for truth and not political BS.
Also agree that these mammal deaths are unwarranted , disturbing and need answers .
FYI there is a difference between seismic blasting and sonar mapping.

[Broad Bill]

Dales for arguments sake, what facts would you expect to be made public that will indict the federal government and bring to surface the impacts seismic testing can have in WF development and associated effects WF operations could have on the ocean, mammals, all species in general and the ecosystem. And who would you expect to come forward with those facts? Any evidence that risks a project of this magnitude and the hundreds of billions of dollars at stake is going to be squashed. NOAA and any other scientific body can do all the necropsies they want but do you honestly believe if there's evidence that testing is killing these mammals, that information will be made public by NOAA, BOEM, NMFS, the Secretary of commerce or anybody in government at the federal and state level. The NOAA Chief of Protected Species and lead scientist Sean Heyes, their own guy, warned NOAA and BOEM of the consequences of seismic testing and WF operations and how did those warnings and advisories go?

The true value of science is completely negated if we allow parties of interest to throw out unsubstantiated alternate theories like vessel strikes as a means of deflecting blame away from the projects they're looking to protect and will financially benefit from. It's government's biggest weapon in their toolbox to arrive at a result they want, not a result that is necessarily in the best interest of the American people.

From reading your posts over the years, I'm guessing you've been doing this long enough to know exactly how the game is played. Government has a playbook, they're going to run with it, and any evidence that refutes that playbook is either going to be discredited, ignored or will never see the light of day.

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by Broad Bill

Dales for arguments sake, what facts would you expect to be made public that will indict the federal government and bring to surface the impacts seismic testing can have in WF development and associated effects WF operations could have on the ocean, mammals, all species in general and the ecosystem. And who would you expect to come forward with those facts? Any evidence that risks a project of this magnitude and the hundreds of billions of dollars at stake is going to be squashed. NOAA and any other scientific body can do all the necropsies they want but do you honestly believe if there's evidence that testing is killing these mammals, that information will be made public by NOAA, BOEM, NMFS, the Secretary of commerce or anybody in government at the federal and state level. The NOAA Chief of Protected Species and lead scientist Sean Heyes, their own guy, warned NOAA and BOEM of the consequences of seismic testing and WF operations and how did those warnings and advisories go?

The true value of science is completely negated if we allow parties of interest to throw out unsubstantiated alternate theories like vessel strikes as a means of deflecting blame away from the projects they're looking to protect and will financially benefit from. It's government's biggest weapon in their toolbox to arrive at a result they want, not a result that is necessarily in the best interest of the American people.

From reading your posts over the years, I'm guessing you've been doing this long enough to know exactly how the game is played. Government has a playbook, they're going to run with it, and any evidence that refutes that playbook is either going to be discredited, ignored or will never see the light of day.

Winner , winner , chicken dinner .

If there was absolute proof these stranding were caused by the testing , it will never be announced until 10 years after they are built .

The lies that are being told about how great a power source these will be is proof of that already .
.

Lots of EPA rules are being broken for these projects to get done.


.

[togzilla]

Originally Posted by Broad Bill

Dales for arguments sake, what facts would you expect to be made public that will indict the federal government and bring to surface the impacts seismic testing can have in WF development and associated effects WF operations could have on the ocean, mammals, all species in general and the ecosystem. And who would you expect to come forward with those facts? Any evidence that risks a project of this magnitude and the hundreds of billions of dollars at stake is going to be squashed. NOAA and any other scientific body can do all the necropsies they want but do you honestly believe if there's evidence that testing is killing these mammals, that information will be made public by NOAA, BOEM, NMFS, the Secretary of commerce or anybody in government at the federal and state level. The NOAA Chief of Protected Species and lead scientist Sean Heyes, their own guy, warned NOAA and BOEM of the consequences of seismic testing and WF operations and how did those warnings and advisories go?

The true value of science is completely negated if we allow parties of interest to throw out unsubstantiated alternate theories like vessel strikes as a means of deflecting blame away from the projects they're looking to protect and will financially benefit from. It's government's biggest weapon in their toolbox to arrive at a result they want, not a result that is necessarily in the best interest of the American people.

From reading your posts over the years, I'm guessing you've been doing this long enough to know exactly how the game is played. Government has a playbook, they're going to run with it, and any evidence that refutes that playbook is either going to be discredited, ignored or will never see the light of day.

BINGO!!!!! Give that man a cigar.
I've been working and studying economics in my career for 32+ years now and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that our govt. is corrupt and will manipulate data anyway they want to push their political agenda. The govt. thrives on the naivety of it's constituents. Speaking of which, I have not seen any posts from our "blind squirrel" in quite some time. Maybe he is now reading facts and using logic instead of listening to political propaganda.

[Ol Pedro]

I have not seen any posts from our "blind squirrel" in quite some time. Maybe he is now reading facts and using logic instead of listening to political propaganda.[/QUOTE]

Hopefully he's been out fishing.

[Gerry Zagorski]

Originally Posted by dales529

Gerry is looking into the validity of the chart. Nothing to rebut until we know more
While I agree that there are coincidences but those are NOT Facts, There are also conjecture / theories embedded in this thread that need to be sorted out for FACT. Just looking for truth and not political BS.
Also agree that these mammal deaths are unwarranted , disturbing and need answers .
FYI there is a difference between seismic blasting and sonar mapping.

Just spoke to Mike Dean who is the person who gathered the data and put the chart together.
- USCG Local Notices to Mariners where the ships listed were tallied over the period for Regions 1 and 5.
- NOAA Whale Deaths from their Humpback Unusual Mortality Event study and local press reports for the same period.

[Gumada]

Originally Posted by Gerry Zagorski

Just spoke to Mike Dean who is the person who gathered the data and put the chart together.
- USCG Local Notices to Mariners where the ships listed were tallied over the period for Regions 1 and 5.
- NOAA Whale Deaths from their Humpback Unusual Mortality Event study and local press reports for the same period.

Thanks Gerry,

Sounds like some solid data, now where is any evidence that the blasting is not contributing to the cetaceans deaths.....”crickets”