Weakfish meeting

[HutchJr]

Ken's Dock, Benny's Landing, Fried Flounder, Cape Fear; whatever the moniker this week, the same 'anti-RFA' message is always there. Whew, it's tiring following this anti-fishing campaign around the Internet.

That said, if you'd like to see the RFA's official comments on weakfish, please visit the following link:

http://www.joinrfa.org/Press/Weakfis...mIV_100609.pdf

SCIENCE doesn't support a moratorium gents - how can we?

RFA has been clamoring for spawning season closures for years.

Welcome to the fisheries management game Kenny/Benny/Lenny - you might win more friends in here if you keep the turds of the sand box!

[Kensdock]

Originally Posted by HutchJr

Ken's Dock, Benny's Landing, Fried Flounder, Cape Fear; whatever the moniker this week, the same 'anti-RFA' message is always there. Whew, it's tiring following this anti-fishing campaign around the Internet.

That said, if you'd like to see the RFA's official comments on weakfish, please visit the following link:

http://www.joinrfa.org/Press/Weakfis...mIV_100609.pdf

SCIENCE doesn't support a moratorium gents - how can we?

RFA has been clamoring for spawning season closures for years.

Welcome to the fisheries management game Kenny/Benny/Lenny - you might win more friends in here if you keep the turds of the sand box!

Hutch, You should have attended the NJ weakfish hearing in October, you would have learned some facts about the weakfish stock that you cannot find on the internet. One of the facts was that a weakfish moratorium offered the best chance for the weakfish to recover! I am anti-fishing?! That statement sir, is a total joke.I have caught thousands of tuna, weakfish and stripers. Hundreds of white marlin,spotted sea trout and many other species.I have participated in hundreds of salt water tournaments here in NJ from the Mid Atlantic to local flounder tournaments and I have won many of them.I am still passionate to this day about salt water fishing. Hutch,in all the years and all the time I have spent fishing, I have never seen you with a fishing rod in your hands! Not on the beach,not at the Mid Atlantic, not anywhere!!

Unlike you Hutch,I do not have to worry about Viking yacht or any big supporter in forming my opinions or picking a weakfish management option. The weakfish option that you supported is in complete disregard of the health of the weakfish stock and the future generations of recreational fishing.

[CaptTB]

Originally Posted by Kensdock

Hutch,in all the years and all the time I have spent fishing, I have never seen you with a fishing rod in your hands! Not on the beach,not at the Mid Atlantic, not anywhere!!

Funny, I probably fished more by the time I was twelve than you have in your entire life and I never saw you anywhere either! Does that mean you did not fish or something?

Unlike you Hutch,I do not have to worry about Viking yacht or any big supporter in forming my opinions or picking a weakfish management option.

Now THAT is funny! Because, afterall, we all know that people with a viking yacht do lots of weakfishing!!!

Thanks again for the laughs kensdock, you never disappoint with your ridiculous comments.

Strange, you haven't chimed in on any of the other 20 or 30 topics going on. You come in, post something months ago about weakfish and anti-RFA, then disappear. Come back with the next weakfish update and not only post it, but go back and dig up the same anti-rfa nonsense, then disappear except for this one thread. But then I guess you must be so consumed with weakfish and all the things going on in weakfish management that you haven't had time to even look at....oh wait, there hasn't been anything else going on in weakfish management, but you must have been too busy to even give anything else another thought I'm sure.

Oh wait, I seem to remeber some comments from another site you made about sea bass, strange you never posted here in those same topics.

Originally Posted by bennyslanding

After years of allowing over fishing the ASMFC and the NMFS are finally making proactive choices to keep the fish stocks health and you want to sue them! The money wasted on litigation would be better spent helping rebuild depleted fish stocks. No harm done at all to the seas bass stock by the closure. The fishing will be excellent when it reopens.

and something about....

Originally Posted by bennyslanding

Maybe the science and the data is faulty or maybe it is not. The time to question how the data is collected and under what conditions they can close a fishery down should have been adderessed beforehand. The fact that you refuse to acknowlege the fatal consequences of overfishing only profoundly suggests you are greedy, self serving and indiffererent to the future generations of recreational fishing.

I love this one....

Originally Posted by bennyslanding

How about the commercial fishermen? The RFA opposed an option that would have let them defer 15% of their striper quota to the next year, when market conditions could increase the value of their catch. As it stands now, they are forced to catch and sell the fish regardless of price. They were not even asking for an increase in their quota! Yet, you want to sue the feds after you have filled the recreational sea bass quota (caught your share). That my friend, reeks of greed! IT is well understood that when the quota is reached, the sea bass season is over.There is plenty of other fish to run charters for, but you may have to sharpen your fishing skills Captain.

this last one is hysterical. I love the part about partyboats just going trigger fishing or striper fishing. I also love the "they used the best available...... then they used the SAME science to assert the amount of fish caught. Sorry bennyslanding, uh I mean Kens Dock, uh I mean fried flounder, but they used science that the federal government itself called fatally flawed and demanded be replaced. But I digress, you guys read and laugh for yourselves.

Originally Posted by bennyslanding

The best available science on the plant was used by the feds to determine that the seas bass stock is healthy. They also used the same science to assert the amount of seas bass caught by recreational anglers. I worked at Joe Rodia's tackle shop in the 70's. Captain Charlie, who ran the Rainbow party boat out of Wildwood made me a deal...I ride for free during the week in exchange for pushing shoobies his way. Burlap bags of big hump back sea bass is what I caught when I fished with Captain Charlie. I can assure you Captain Charlie fished only a couple of miles from the beach, not on the 20, 30 or 40 line like most sea bass trips today. If the sea bass stock is fully recovered, you should be able to catch big hump back sea bass in State waters just like Captain Charlie did in the 70's.
At this point it is up to us to provide the feds with better numbers. The resource is not unlimited and will only produce x amount of sea bass a season even under excellent conditions.
State waters are not included in the sea bass closure.
Sea Bass in State waters,
Stripers and trigger fish are a few of the fish available to party boats and charter boats at this time of the year. I would think a fisherman would pay more to catch stripers than sea bass.

You have a nice day now ya here?

[shresearchdude]

I'm going to have to follow your posts on other websites now.

I've been accused of being anti fishing myself. I'm actually pro environment-which includes fish and everything else on the planet that man has controlled by direct or indirect means. And I think they taste great.
Fishing organizations whether commercial or recreational are greedy-they want the most of what their members can get. They aren't always looking towards the future. Closing the striped bass down years ago really was a stupid idea...

[Kensdock]

Tony, Your post is way off the topic. You take quotes from old post and display them out of context. What next? Have me banned from the site for not agreeing with you and Hutch?!

[PBangler]

Here's my favorite Kensdock quote:

"Today the flounder bite continued to be red hot in the Delaware Bay! I just spoke with a vacationer that spent all day on a local party boat. He said, the party boat had about 50 people fishing and they only caught two keeper flounder combined all day! Very few party boat captains are good fishermen. Very few charter boat captains catch fish!"

Ha! Now that's funny

[PBangler]

Kensdock,

Approximately what percentage of weakfish would still be killed by commercial discarding under a moratorium?

I had read that by only moving gear out of areas would there ever be any substantial savings of weakfish by commercial fishing.

Since I know you extensively campaigned over websites for just simply a weakfish moratorium, what did your research on the savings find?

[CaptTB]

Originally Posted by Kensdock

Tony, Your post is way off the topic. You take quotes from old post and display them out of context. What next? Have me banned from the site for not agreeing with you and Hutch?!

Yawn.... let me know when you come back to reality.

[Kensdock]

Originally Posted by PBangler

Kensdock,

Approximately what percentage of weakfish would still be killed by commercial discarding under a moratorium?

I had read that by only moving gear out of areas would there ever be any substantial savings of weakfish by commercial fishing.

Since I know you extensively campaigned over websites for just simply a weakfish moratorium, what did your research on the savings find?

A lot less, an experienced commercial captain with modern equipment can easily identify a school of weakfish. The problem with a bycatch is it will become a fishery as demand increases. Many small gillnet operations use small boats that are inexpensive to run, they also fish near shore areas giving them the ability to make multiple trips a day. All they needed is the ability to sell the weakfish the rest of the law can be circumvented.They will be permitted to fish in the spawning areas during the spawn. Now multiply the bycatch by the amount of commercial fishing operations on the entire east coast, at this point you can clearly see why a moratorium was the best option. Be that as it may, the weakfish have a better chance of recover than they did prior to addendum IV.

[Kensdock]

Originally Posted by CaptTB

Wow, that's it?

So, do Viking yacht owners do a lot of weakfishing you think? How about the "same science" quote, that one isn't even remotely close to factual.

That's your response, a personal attack at me?

Pathetic, and about what I expected.

Tony, Many people with offshore rigs like Viking still fish for weakfish,stripers and flounder. A good friend recently put a bid on a new 65ft. Viking and I can assure you he is an avid weakfish fisher. Viking was writing the pay checks for the RFA at one time,I was told. The best available science is exactly what they always use !