Party Boat pool "irregularity"?

[Capt. Debbie]

You're 100% right. It stirs interest and a good information filled discussion with real fishermen. Our peers, And it is hard trying to get even without naming the boat.

Some people have opinions. Some think YOU should not have an opinion if they don't one. Now that's funny!!!!

Of course there's dishonest people. But what do you do to avoid getting screwed by them should you meet them? I found this informative and so did 5 pages of fishermen discussions.

Originally Posted by bulletbob

Sorry, but you could not be more wrong.. I have a lot of respect for guys that work the sea daily. however it IS a business based on customer satisfaction.. Therefore customers can voice concerns in a forum of their peers.
I never named the boat, nor did I bitch about it during my initial report.. I bashed no one except the mate that was crooked in my opinion, based on close to 5 decades of fishing on for hire boats.
I personally will never again go on the boat in question, but never asked anyone else to do the same.

The number of replies to this thread and the fact that i have had several PM's from members enjoying this discussion would seem to indicate its a valid topic, and that a lot of members here deem it as perfectly acceptable.
Don't like it?... Why bother replying?
Its just a mid winter discussion thread to pass the time.
No one forced you to join it, why put down those members that are willingly contributing to it?... bob

[Skolmann]

Originally Posted by bunker dunker

what ever happened to "due Process".you think you got scamed???you wait to air it here on a public site instead of taking it up with the capt & crew.this is
nothing more the a fresh pile of BS.this is how bad things happen.this is not a discussion,it an open invite to bash party boat capts and crews.

Well stated

[Reel Class]

Originally Posted by bulletbob

Understood, and thanks for responding captain..
One reason I did not I guess is that while this went on the capt was in the wheelhouse piloting the vessel . I suppose I could have said something at the dock, but did not.


I hope you can give us another reply that would really interest many of us on this thread considering your position.

You have mates that you employ on your boat, and of course you trust they will do the right thing by you, your business ,and your customers, both regulars and first timers.
You know your guys well i am certain.. If someone makes an accusation against a mate you know well and trust, I would imagine your first inclination would be to assess the situation, but at some point you would have to come to their defense if things got heated.. I imagine it would not be a pleasant situation having to settle an argument between a trusted employee and a good customer.. your input as a charter captain would be a great addition to this topic... bob

Thanks Bob.

To be honest, when a pool is run on my boat, I leave it to the customers to actually run it, and it's usually the leader of the charter or the most experienced angler on an open trip. The mates and myself always stay out of it and the only way we have ever gotten involved was in making a call on whose fish was bigger (usually done by a digital scale so that was never really an issue either).

I think on headboats it's a much more subjective situation and the old fashioned balance scales are always deciding a pool. I know for a fact, with boats that I have been on IF a question of the pool came up the captain had the final say, no matter what.

[bulletbob]

Originally Posted by Reel Class

Thanks Bob.

To be honest, when a pool is run on my boat, I leave it to the customers to actually run it, and it's usually the leader of the charter or the most experienced angler on an open trip. The mates and myself always stay out of it and the only way we have ever gotten involved was in making a call on whose fish was bigger (usually done by a digital scale so that was never really an issue either).

I think on headboats it's a much more subjective situation and the old fashioned balance scales are always deciding a pool. I know for a fact, with boats that I have been on IF a question of the pool came up the captain had the final say, no matter what.

Thanks for the reply captain.. I REALLY like the idea of a digital scale, and also the captain having the final say on the boat, and not one of the mates..bob

[jigmup]

I wish you just let everyone know the boat! Perhaps the mates might treat their customers a bit better if they were under the microscope.

[bulletbob]

Originally Posted by jigmup

I wish you just let everyone know the boat! Perhaps the mates might treat their customers a bit better if they were under the microscope.

Nah,, That wouldn't be right.. Captain has always seemed like a good guy, and he wasn't around at the time, he was in the wheelhouse piloting the boat back to port...Its all on the mate for being crooked, and me for being way too timid to open my mouth... bob

[O'Connor]

I've never seen sinkers down the throat, mates cheating or favoring one fare over another....not once on any boat east coast or west have I witnessed any shenanigans in the pool. However, whenever Gambling is involved...(You're betting against others that you will catch the biggest fish) there will be people who cheat. some people are just scumbags. plain and simple.

[tombanjo]

Originally Posted by O'Connor

I've never seen sinkers down the throat, mates cheating or favoring one fare over another....not once on any boat east coast or west have I witnessed any shenanigans in the pool. However, whenever Gambling is involved...(You're betting against others that you will catch the biggest fish) there will be people who cheat. some people are just scumbags. plain and simple.

When there's money involved there's inevitably shenanigans going on. Fish pool, politics, business.....doesn't matter. Lots of shenanigans.

[RC.]

The problem with the internet is that anyone can post anything, and if they spin it right, others will pile on and before you know it, someone's opinion becomes fact.

I've followed this thread for days before posting and from what I read, you believe your fish was bigger than another, but the other fish beat yours in the pool. There are no FACTS, other than your opinion, to support this. Instead of addressing it immediately, you wait weeks and post your gripes here, which causes others to pile on and speculate and wonder what boat would do such a horrible thing, even though there is NO PROOF that anything inappropriate occurred. You are also now boycotting a boat that you were otherwise happy with, because you lost a pool where you think your fish looked bigger than another (again, no proof that your fish actually weighed more).

I have probably weighed a thousand or more pools in my days working deck and countless times the fish that looked bigger did not weigh more and lost. It happens. I'm not so naive to think that shenanigans never happen, but you have provided no evidence other than "my fish looked bigger" to show that you were cheated. I do respect your decision to not name the boat because there are some sheep here who would follow blindly in your boycott, hurting someone's business when they probably did nothing wrong.

RC

[Capt Joe]

Originally Posted by RC.

The problem with the internet is that anyone can post anything, and if they spin it right, others will pile on and before you know it, someone's opinion becomes fact.

I've followed this thread for days before posting and from what I read, you believe your fish was bigger than another, but the other fish beat yours in the pool. There are no FACTS, other than your opinion, to support this. Instead of addressing it immediately, you wait weeks and post your gripes here, which causes others to pile on and speculate and wonder what boat would do such a horrible thing, even though there is NO PROOF that anything inappropriate occurred. You are also now boycotting a boat that you were otherwise happy with, because you lost a pool where you think your fish looked bigger than another (again, no proof that your fish actually weighed more).

I have probably weighed a thousand or more pools in my days working deck and countless times the fish that looked bigger did not weigh more and lost. It happens. I'm not so naive to think that shenanigans never happen, but you have provided no evidence other than "my fish looked bigger" to show that you were cheated. I do respect your decision to not name the boat because there are some sheep here who would follow blindly in your boycott, hurting someone's business when they probably did nothing wrong.

RC

Finally! Someone with a brain! Thankyou!