Worst Mate Ever!! Captain ?

[Jigman13]

Originally Posted by parrotinct

Would The Star Ledger or Asbury Park Press ever throw one of their week ad sponsors under the bus / boat no, neither will Gerry

Just to provide clarity on your comparison, the ledger and nj.com does this ALL the time. They have an ethical and legal responsibility to report facts. Hospitals that spend tens or hundreds of thousands a yr to advertise with them are reported upon as they should be for safety and health violations. Restaurants who spend on media get bad reviews, too. You cannot compare nj's largest news media company to our lovely fishing forum.

Advertising and journalism are separated like church and state at the ledger and on nj.com...as it should with Gannett's media entities. Unlike media outlets, Gerry has the privatized right as a business owner to censor posts/posters especially if it impacts his ability to keep this bad boy up and running.

Good call Gerry. No need to negatively impact the incremental revenue needed to keep this humming. PM the guy if you wanna know the boat.

And did anyone look into my Facebook recommendation regarding the fluke reduction issue? I did an audience audit and a series of posts for like $200-300 could've reached over half a million people in nj!!!

[parrotinct]

Originally Posted by Jigman13

Just to provide clarity on your comparison, the ledger and nj.com does this ALL the time. They have an ethical and legal responsibility to report facts. Hospitals that spend tens or hundreds of thousands a yr to advertise with them are reported upon as they should be for safety and health violations. Restaurants who spend on media get bad reviews, too. You cannot compare nj's largest news media company to our lovely fishing forum.

Advertising and journalism are separated like church and state at the ledger and on nj.com...as it should with Gannett's media entities. Unlike media outlets, Gerry has the privatized right as a business owner to censor posts/posters especially if it impacts his ability to keep this bad boy up and running.

Good call Gerry. No need to negatively impact the incremental revenue needed to keep this humming. PM the guy if you wanna know the boat.

And did anyone look into my Facebook recommendation regarding the fluke reduction issue? I did an audience audit and a series of posts for like $200-300 could've reached over half a million people in nj!!!

Yes, but as a trusted news outlet these two publications would never run an article without a reliable source and more knowledge the suspected villain boat. While the post here is member of our online community and entitled to his voice heard, without naming names little credibility from a pure journalist stand point.

Jerzee John posts a report about a sponsor boat, Chrisper tells EVERYONE you can pm the OP for the name and the cry for someone to be tar and feathered continues. If the boats name was posted this thread would triple in size. Don't know about everyone else but that's not what attracts me to NJF and as Gerry said it's not why he created the site, Believe him when he says sponsors keep the site going and running a site like this while hopefully being a financial benefit to him for his efforts is a thankless tiring task. One we should not forget is for our benefits. We all know there's sites out there that are absolute trash, NJF is the gold standard. That's not by happenstance, it's because there's a tremendous effort daily to keep this a fishing site and not a sowing circle for grousing.

JJ's post is probably as good as it gets. Guy feels compelled to let us all know there's in his opinion a problem boat who happens to be a sponsor. elects not to turn this into the court of public opinion. I agree 100% with that. But as Chrisper pointed out, he'll be more than happy to PM the name for anyone who takes 30 seconds to send him a pm. Some take the time to gripe about the name not being made public but in the time it took to gripe could have sent a pm to the OP to obtain the name. Unfortunately it's human nature in the word we live in today, everyone wants information and they want it immediately. Keep forcing members to disclose information which for whatever reason goes against their moral fabric and all we're collectively doing is creating a disincentive to post anything and we'd be worse off for it. This is a perfect use of the PM feature to facilitate sensitive matters, use it and everyone gets what they want without the drama. It's actually accommodates ALL opinions voiced without WW III breaking out.

This thread should be filed under the adage "Be careful what you ask for, you might get it!" If you what NJF to become another worthless site don't expect the benefits we receive from it today because it could go down the toilet in a heart beat like so many others have. Would be a shame for us and more so for Gerry. Show some respect for sponsors, members and the owner who made this all possible. It costs us NOTHING yet most here visit the site every day and would be jonesing if it were gone.

JJ balanced out everyone knowing while not falling into the trap most of us do which is turning the thread into a shit storm. Something we can all learn and benefit from. In the tight community we live in, a few pm's and half the board will know who the boat is and the court of public opinion can and will take it from there. Don't ruin this site in the process.......PLEASE!

[Capt Sal]

Originally Posted by parrotinct

Yes, but as a trusted news outlet these two publications would never run an article without a reliable source and more knowledge the suspected villain boat. While the post here is member of our online community and entitled to his voice heard, without naming names little credibility from a pure journalist stand point.

Two way street. Fake names on the internet except the sponsors?I would let this go and move on to more important things. Bad trip and not happy-don't book him again. With all due respect there are always two sides to a situation like this.I am by no means saying the Capt and mate were right but who are we to judge on the word of one person. It got 9,000 hits and i bet my bottom dollar out of those 9,000 there are many who never gave a dime to Save the Summer Flounder cause. Said my piece and done.

[Jerzee John]

I would like to share some of my thoughts and felling's on some of the posts on this thread. I purposely did not post the name of the Boat out of respect for Gerry and this site. I do not feel it is right to call out one of Gerry's sponsors in an open forum like this. That being said my son had tipped the mate in the beginning of the trip over the standard 20% mainly because we own restaurants which are also a service business and have found that money in most cases motivates people to do a better job. Unfortunately that was not the case in this instance. Plus had we not done that and I stiffed him at the end of the trip that would have made me no better than him. Call me Crazy but that's how service people think. I have answered many members PM with the info so if you would like more information fell free to PM me.

[Fishfish]

"I have answered many members PM with the info so if you would like more information fell free to PM me.
Tried to PM you ,but your inbox is full. Sent an email instead. Thanks. Fishfish

[Grateful Dad]

I would have to agree with JJ's opinion on this. It's not right to call out a sponsor on a public forum. I was in the same situation a month ago, when 2 sponsor boats got into a pissing match in the bay, and nearly swamped my boat with their dicking around.
I gave enough clues to figure out who was responsible, and those that really wanted to know and took the time to PM me got answers. I wasn't trying to kill someone' business or reputation, but simply point out facts, to let you decide if you wanted to support an operation who exhibits this kind of behavior.

[Capt. Debbie]

I guess the Sponsor and the customer can PM each other too?

"KISS MY ASS" means I don't care. Don't come back to my boat.

Maybe Gerry could moderate a private discussion?

Originally Posted by Grateful Dad

I would have to agree with JJ's opinion on this. It's not right to call out a sponsor on a public forum. I was in the same situation a month ago, when 2 sponsor boats got into a pissing match in the bay, and nearly swamped my boat with their dicking around.
I gave enough clues to figure out who was responsible, and those that really wanted to know and took the time to PM me got answers. I wasn't trying to kill someone' business or reputation, but simply point out facts, to let you decide if you wanted to support an operation who exhibits this kind of behavior.

[Gerry Zagorski]

OK - I think we let this thing run it's coarse so shutting this post down.

Time to move on.