Where's the on the water etiquette ?

[Capt Joe]

Originally Posted by madcrab

its time boaters record these incidents and report them to the coast guard.

Now THATS funny.

[Reel Class]

A lot of those "offshore" or mid-range wrecks are close to nowhere near others. The guy probably had a plan to fish that wreck, and since most them are spread out over a large area (much larger than inshore pieces) he probably figured he could get on the piece safely - which it sounds like he did!

If the guy ran 50 miles to the spot, he doesn't want to run another 10-15-20 miles to another spot. Yeah you were on it, but he was able to squeeze in!

Look I'm not defending the guy, but it sounds like he got on the piece and kept everyone safe (based on your post). If I'm out there and I want to fish a particular wreck that's in the middle of nowhere, I A) leave early, and B) look on the radar to see if a boat's on it or near it before I get too close to it.

Glad you caught fish. Nice job!

[Moonzy1]

Originally Posted by Reel Class

A lot of those "offshore" or mid-range wrecks are close to nowhere near others. The guy probably had a plan to fish that wreck, and since most them are spread out over a large area (much larger than inshore pieces) he probably figured he could get on the piece safely - which it sounds like he did!

If the guy ran 50 miles to the spot, he doesn't want to run another 10-15-20 miles to another spot. Yeah you were on it, but he was able to squeeze in!

Look I'm not defending the guy, but it sounds like he got on the piece and kept everyone safe (based on your post). If I'm out there and I want to fish a particular wreck that's in the middle of nowhere, I A) leave early, and B) look on the radar to see if a boat's on it or near it before I get too close to it.

Glad you caught fish. Nice job!

This is a very pragmatic and likely accurate way of looking at this situation.

As long as the other boat is being safe…i.e. not waking me as he scans the wreck/piece or getting too close ( and this is relative) I have no issue sharing a spot with another boater.

I always remind myself that we don't own the ocean.

W reference to the train bridge out of manasquan….Does anyone else feel the bridge operator shop be more of a quarterback on busy days??

I give props to the glimmer glass operators. They always call the right of away w the tide. Keeps things much safer. Have gone through that train bridge many times w a raging tide at my stern and someone decides to ram through the other way…that would be nasty spot to wreck

[Capt Joe]

Originally Posted by Moonzy1

W reference to the train bridge out of manasquan….Does anyone else feel the bridge operator shop be more of a quarterback on busy days??

I give props to the glimmer glass operators. They always call the right of away w the tide. Keeps things much safer. Have gone through that train bridge many times w a raging tide at my stern and someone decides to ram through the other way…that would be nasty spot to wreck

If you are going to operate a boat (any size) know the RULES OF THE ROAD otherwise pay to go fishing or boating.
Raging tide at your stern does NOT mean you have the right of way at the Manasquan railroad bridge.( "a narrow channel") FIND THE RULE and next time your in your boat abide by it. Knowing the rule could save your life.

Every little shit finger that comes through that bridge thinks they have the right of way because the tide is behind them -----WRONG----!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ttmako]

Originally Posted by Capt Joe

If you are going to operate a boat (any size) know the RULES OF THE ROAD otherwise pay to go fishing or boating.
Raging tide at your stern does NOT mean you have the right of way at the Manasquan railroad bridge.( "a narrow channel") FIND THE RULE and next time your in your boat abide by it. Knowing the rule could save your life.

Every little shit finger that comes through that bridge thinks they have the right of way because the tide is behind them -----WRONG----!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Manasquan is not one of the great lakes or a western river.

[Moonzy1]

Originally Posted by Capt Joe

If you are going to operate a boat (any size) know the RULES OF THE ROAD otherwise pay to go fishing or boating.
Raging tide at your stern does NOT mean you have the right of way at the Manasquan railroad bridge.( "a narrow channel") FIND THE RULE and next time your in your boat abide by it. Knowing the rule could save your life.

Every little shit finger that comes through that bridge thinks they have the right of way because the tide is behind them -----WRONG----!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ya I know the rules mr shit finger and i also never said tide gets the right of way. I said the glimmer glass operator calls the right of way w the tide. It makes sense and keeps it much safer for all since most dont know the rules as well as you your saltiness.

Above all, safe boating is about common sense and when a much larger boat than you is on a approach through w the tide at his stern, you shouldnt cram in to his port side w inches to spare.

[Capt Joe]

"Does anyone else feel the bridge operator shop be more of a quarterback on busy days??" (Moonzy1)

This is just precious. Bridge tender as traffic cop.
You implied conditions same at railroad as glimmer glass...please.
CG 169 - Rule 9. I'm not going to read it for you. Nothing else needs to be said. Common sense is delightful. Regulations are precise.

[Moonzy1]

Who asked you to read it?

Precise you say?


Rule 9 a.A vessel proceeding along the course of a narrow channel or fairway shall keep as near to the outer limit of the channel or fairway which lies on her starboard side as is safe and practicable. -- Safe and practicable is a relative term and will vary from boater to boater and boat to boat...current will also be a variable factor as to what is "safe and practicable"

Rule 9 b. A vessel of less than 20 meters in length or a sailing vessel shall not impede the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within a narrow channel or fairway. -- Does your "precise" rule for safely navigate mean that if the channel is 20' wide and the stand on vessel has a beam of 13', another vessel of beam 7' or less can safely pass through at the same time?

These rules are not precise as you say. They are guidelines which require common sense to be effective...and also somewhat open to an uncertain level interpretation. ----items of precision do not. They usually can be measured and quantified.

Theres a well known profession based on this fact.....its called The Practice of Law.

My implication was that the bridge operator there calls the right of way w the tide...nothing really about the conditions.Why do you attempt to minimize my reference to the Glimmer Glass anyway?
Are they both not "narrow" are they both not "drawbridges? So far identical comparisons except for the fact that the currents are way worse at the train bridge...my point exactly.

What else you got? I can do this all day.

[Capt. Debbie]

Agreed. And the bigger fish are the edges of the wreck.

Additionally as pointed there are few if any wrecks that are secret. Logically, how can they stay secret with an 80-100 foot boat double anchored on top of it? Many used to throw decoys buoys exactly 500 feet of so east of it. SO your fish finder finds nothing and use that 500 foot to run back west off of. Ever hear the story of how the Baccardi got its name? That was not the name of the ship on the bottom. I'm sure the discoverer thought he secret too? lol

Courtesy is nonexistent. I was on the tow boat fishing the north face of SH on the edge od the channel drifting and a SPONSOR six pack here comes around the Hook up about 15 feet from me to throw his bait net while waving me to move. I yelled over to have a physical relationship with himself. His fares had no idea what's going on. I'm sure his fares thought me jumping his "spot" too.

Yes people will fish on top of you. Or wait until you leave and then move in on top of it. Then they will be back after logging the numbers. Unless you're 20 miles offshore your spot is NOT YOUR SPOT. It's stored in several plotters.

Ironically, maybe the party boat captain took this spot from some else too. As was pointed out, I'm not going to run an hour offshore to spot, see someone on it, and then move on. Especially if its a larger structure. A 100 feet away seems close but not necessarily competing with you.

And lastly the USCG don't care about anchoring close to anyone. Realistically. Why should they?

Originally Posted by Reel Class

A lot of those "offshore" or mid-range wrecks are close to nowhere near others. The guy probably had a plan to fish that wreck, and since most them are spread out over a large area (much larger than inshore pieces) he probably figured he could get on the piece safely - which it sounds like he did!

If the guy ran 50 miles to the spot, he doesn't want to run another 10-15-20 miles to another spot. Yeah you were on it, but he was able to squeeze in!

Look I'm not defending the guy, but it sounds like he got on the piece and kept everyone safe (based on your post). If I'm out there and I want to fish a particular wreck that's in the middle of nowhere, I A) leave early, and B) look on the radar to see if a boat's on it or near it before I get too close to it.

Glad you caught fish. Nice job!