cut next year's summer flounder catch by 10 percent

[Sidewinder]

Originally Posted by Jigsmith

A lot of us saw this coming. You didn't have to be a genius to see it.

What did you do about it? Thats the question...

[SaltLife1980]

Just cant win.. No matter what we do, in the long run we are the ones getting the short end of the stick.. Nick said it best in his post..

Idk what else to say besides this is BS.. They are never happy.. they will be happy when we cant fish anymore

[Life's A Beach]

Originally Posted by Sidewinder

What did you do about it? Thats the question...

SOME of us went to the selection meeting in Toms River and voiced OUR opinion(s). The "Board" made their decision DESPITE what the majority stated they preferred.

On a personal note: I hope those that stated they were willing to give up creel limit to get a smaller size limit are man enough to now say their decision was short-sighted and flawed?


http://www.njfishing.com/forums/show...ght=fluke+poll

[hammer4reel]

In what has been probably the best fluke season in the last five years with the amount of quality fish around , I dont think lowering the size limit to 17 1/2 really did that much as most fish were 17 or well over 18 , going by what we caught.
so if anything lowering the bag limit by 3 fish should have kept our landing poundage lower as if it had stayed at 8 there would def have been ALOT more fish kept, and the pounding would have been much higher.

curios to see how the new landing numbers reflect that

[Sidewinder]

The creel limit should be 6 fish and size 14" and better.

You can not cull, once you catch your limit, that's that.

Also you must handle the fish with care as if it was your effing baby, I see too many effing idiots handle fish as if it was worthless, some mates too.

You want a good fishery? Well start policing your clientele and show them the proper way of handling their shorts and release them with care...

[captadamnj]

The current decision on quota was coming long before any decision was made about 2012 regulations. The 2013 quota is completely unrelated to 2012 regulations. You simply can't relate the two because, at this time, they are completely unrelated. 2012 catch will be integrated in future quota management decisions, but not the 2013 quota. Anyone who makes the argument next year's quota is tied to this year's regulations is grossly misinformed.

What will happen is in December, our 2012 PROJECTED landings will be compared to the 2013 quota. (Irregardless if our 2012 -> 2013 quota went up or down.) If 2012 landings are lower than 2013 quota, we will have the chance to liberalize. If landings = quota, regs will still be same. If landings are greater than quota, then we will reduce.

Keep in mind that the regs for this year were DESIGNED to significantly increase landings from 2011 (by nearly 40%).

As Tony correctly stated, landings numbers are nothing but a roulette wheel or a crap shoot. Any system that samples less than 1% of what it is supposed to be calculating is catastrophically insufficient for to the number management of anything.

If anyone would like to further discuss management, call or e-mail, thanks.

[Capt Sal]

Originally Posted by captadamnj

The current decision on quota was coming long before any decision was made about 2012 regulations. The 2013 quota is completely unrelated to 2012 regulations. You simply can't relate the two because, at this time, they are completely unrelated. 2012 catch will be integrated in future quota management decisions, but not the 2013 quota. Anyone who makes the argument next year's quota is tied to this year's regulations is grossly misinformed.

What will happen is in December, our 2012 PROJECTED landings will be compared to the 2013 quota. (It won't matter whether our 2012 -> 2013 quota went up or down.) If 2012 landings are lower than 2013 quota, we will have the chance to liberalize. If landings = quota, regs will still same. If landings are greater than quota, then we will reduce.

Keep in mind that the regs for this year were DESIGNED to significantly increase landings from 2011 (by nearly 40%).

As Tony correctly stated, landings numbers are nothing but a roulette wheel or a crap shoot. Any system that samples less than 1% of what it is supposed to be calculating is catastrophically insufficient for to the number management of anything.

If anyone would like to further discuss management, call or e-mail, thanks.

Thank you for informing the people who just don't know or read the valuable info posted here.Before anyone rants they should know the facts.A good way would be to attend a meeting.

[DMac]

I knew this was coming once we lowered size limit. Next year my guess would be 18 or 18.5 with 4-5 fish and shorter season. Southern guys gained nothing but one year. I agree nj is best fluking overall on east coast and I fishes for them from Maryland to mass.
I agree with sidewinder about handling short fish. They should never be handled roughly as they are our future. I would bet 95+% of my fish are surviving release. Only reason I'm say maybe 5 percent die is because there are occasionaly ones that get snagged on side of gill plate. I never net fish under 20" flipping then into my hand never touching boat is much better plus I care to remove hook quickly and carefully.

[captadamnj]

Originally Posted by DMac

I knew this was coming once we lowered size limit.

Again -

Originally Posted by captadamnj

The current decision on quota was coming long before any decision was made about 2012 regulations. The 2013 quota is completely unrelated to 2012 regulations. You simply can't relate the two because, at this time, they are completely unrelated. 2012 catch will be integrated in future quota management decisions, but not the 2013 quota. Anyone who makes the argument next year's quota is tied to this year's regulations is grossly misinformed.

[Sidewinder]

Originally Posted by captadamnj

The current decision on quota was coming long before any decision was made about 2012 regulations. The 2013 quota is completely unrelated to 2012 regulations. You simply can't relate the two because, at this time, they are completely unrelated. 2012 catch will be integrated in future quota management decisions, but not the 2013 quota. Anyone who makes the argument next year's quota is tied to this year's regulations is grossly misinformed.

What will happen is in December, our 2012 PROJECTED landings will be compared to the 2013 quota. (Irregardless if our 2012 -> 2013 quota went up or down.) If 2012 landings are lower than 2013 quota, we will have the chance to liberalize. If landings = quota, regs will still be same. If landings are greater than quota, then we will reduce.

Keep in mind that the regs for this year were DESIGNED to significantly increase landings from 2011 (by nearly 40%).

As Tony correctly stated, landings numbers are nothing but a roulette wheel or a crap shoot. Any system that samples less than 1% of what it is supposed to be calculating is catastrophically insufficient for to the number management of anything.

If anyone would like to further discuss management, call or e-mail, thanks.

When you give up creel and length of season for lower size limits you will absolutely **** yourself.

I understand trends and how they manipulate the numbers and dangle regs that seem great at the time but it's like Mc Donald Burgers at the time of eating it tastes great then you realize later, Great? Yeah not so much.

The Bottom line is no matter what, you guys in NJ will get screwed just like we got reamed in NY.

Good Luck with that... Do you know how many Boats we lost in Long Island because of these regs?

I am a big picture guy and no matter how you come to your conclusion when your are screwed, you are screwed...

And bud you guys in NJ are screwed I see 4 fish and 18 1/2 inches in your future.