Some Comments on Fluke

[mickrazz]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

While I voted for Option 2 just because of actually having something to fish for in October with the longer season, and feel the 1/2" decrease was not going to make much of a differnce because were still fishing within the same age class fish.

I think going by a poll on ANY fishing site and trying to bring credibility to the pole is silly.

There are a little over 5000 active members daily here, which is about 2 % of the salt water fisherman registered in NJ , and who knows how many more are not even registered, since if they only fish on head boats they dont have to.

Those are the guys who have no idea fishing sites even exist, yet are the MAINSTAY to the party boat business, just looking to go have a fun day with friends and family, and possibly take home some fish.

I actually know quite a few guys who love to fish , yet only do it from the surf beause they cant afford to fish even on a half day boat.
maybe those guys will also get a few extra fish to take home.

Our board here is made up by guys who really take fishing to another level. there are MANY very good fisherman here, that are going to still catch way more fish per year than they need or their friends and family can consume.
Fishing isnt what we do , its WHO we are.

seems to me there are alot more guys who are going to be happy to get to keep an extra fish or two , that might actually drive them to be the type of fisherman you see post here everyday.

They are entitled to get that chance too


Yet what really makes me laugh is so many of us are saying WTH its only 1/2 and inch , yet if it had been a 1/2" increase in size we would be jumping up and down about it

Now there is a man with some common sense.

[broken bobber]

Mick and Gerry.... i guess its me... but try and understand my thinking on this.....

Its NOT, oh 5 fish is enough for anyone why complain about not keeping 8....

Its about what this could lead to when the People in charge of decisions claim we have now over fished this season so next year we HAVE TO GO TO 3 or possibly 2 fish in 2013/2014.....yea yea it sounds crazy right..... tell the guys in NY that after looking at the past practices.....

Honestly... would you be happy keeping only 2 or 3 fish at 17.5 inches this year.... come on

[CaptTB]

Originally Posted by broken bobber

Mick and Gerry.... i guess its me... but try and understand my thinking on this.....

Its NOT, oh 5 fish is enough for anyone why complain about not keeping 8....

Its about what this could lead to when the People in charge of decisions claim we have now over fished this season so next year we HAVE TO GO TO 3 or possibly 2 fish in 2013/2014.....yea yea it sounds crazy right..... tell the guys in NY that after looking at the past practices.....

Honestly... would you be happy keeping only 2 or 3 fish at 17.5 inches this year.... come on

We have another winner. Said many times, if you go to 5, next time you have to take a reduction where are you going to start from??

[socks]

Originally Posted by CaptTB

We have another winner. Said many times, if you go to 5, next time you have to take a reduction where are you going to start from??

Capt.TB you make the most sense on this issue and many others. I wish the Captains from down South "Tuckerton to Cape May Pt." would look at the big picture like you do on these fluke regs. Thank you for all your work on this and many issues concerning the WHOLE state of recreational anglers.

[Sea Bear]

Originally Posted by broken bobber

Honestly... would you be happy keeping only 2 or 3 fish at 17.5 inches this year.... come on

Yeah wouldn't bother me one bit actually. A couple keeper fluke to eat fresh and not frozen and enjoying a nice relaxing day on the water sounds like a pretty good recipe for "happy" to me!

[broken bobber]

Originally Posted by Sea Bear

Yeah wouldn't bother me one bit actually. A couple keeper fluke to eat fresh and not frozen and enjoying a nice relaxing day on the water sounds like a pretty good recipe for "happy" to me!

hahaha...now who's putting themselves before the "greater good.....

not many NJ head boats gonna put people on the deck for 2-3 keepers @ 50-60 bux per head

[Sea Bear]

Originally Posted by broken bobber

hahaha...now who's putting themselves before the "greater good.....

not many NJ head boats gonna put people on the deck for 2-3 keepers @ 50-60 bux per head

So all the summertime families and tourists looking to enjoy a fun day of fishing are going to say "sorry kids this year the limit is 2-3 keepers and not 8, looks like it's mini-golf instead!"
Let them take home a fish and maybe next year maybe you see them back. They sure don't need 8 to be happy.

Additionally, how many people walk off head boats with MORE than 2-3 keepers a trip? Sure seems like people have still been paying the 50-60 bucks and leaving with 0-2 keepers anyway. Goes back to what I said about blackfisherman and bag limits.

The "greater good" is to keep the season open during it's peak (summer months) and let people actually take something home with them.

[broken bobber]

Originally Posted by Sea Bear

So all the summertime families and tourists looking to enjoy a fun day of fishing are going to say "sorry kids this year the limit is 2-3 keepers and not 8, looks like it's mini-golf instead!"
Let them take home a fish and maybe next year you'll see them back.

Additionally, how many people walk off head boats with MORE than 2-3 keepers a trip? Sure seems like people have still been paying the 50-60 bucks and leaving with 0-2 keepers anyway. Goes back to what I said about blackfisherman and bag limits.

AGAIN my point also..... so this year they MAY take home some fish with the new limits...... but what happens when all this backfires and the fisheries people say ok we gotta go back to 18 but sorry only 2-3 fish can be kept... there is to much potential in this ruling to hurt the industry in the long run, which is why i made an earlier point of why not leave all as is and put in the 2 slot fish at 17-17.5..... the argument was because the Co's would have to do more work ....really ?????

[Sea Bear]

Originally Posted by broken bobber

AGAIN my point also..... so this year they MAY take home some fish with the new limits...... but what happens when all this backfires and the fisheries people say ok we gotta go back to 18 but sorry only 2-3 fish can be kept... there is to much potential in this ruling to hurt the industry in the long run, which is why i made an earlier point of why not leave all as is and put in the 2 slot fish at 17-17.5..... the argument was because the Co's would have to do more work ....really ?????

You seem certain that a slot fish system would have less potential to hurt the long term fishery than what was chosen...?
It seems a pretty big leap to already have a "doomsday" attitude just as a belief. There's no telling what the "powers that be" will feed us after this season, no matter what set of regulations were chosen, no matter how good or bad the season was, no matter how many fish were kept or not kept. I don't see the validity in trying to be "Ms. Cleo" about it.

[mickrazz]

I see your point Tom, its just my opinion that they are going to do whatever they damn well please anyway. All I'm trying to point out is that 98% of the folks on here that fluke fish don't limit out anyway. Guys like you and a few other very good flukers can catch 17.5" fish most of the day. All the rest of us are going to be lucky to limit on the 17.5's, and I'm one of those guys.