Another dead whale today …..

[hammer4reel]

Originally Posted by bulletbob

an awful lot...
1- the windmills will be in NJ IN the ocean where everyone here goes fishing

2- There seem to be HORRIBLE environmental consequences already.. Whales turning up dead constantly .. in NJ saltwater, where everyone here goes fishing.

3- Its a reasonable discourse on the environmental impact to the fishery in NJ saltwater.. where everyone here goes fishing...

I was one that was all for those huge towers going up, and felt[still do] that a few years down the road, they would nurture spectacular fishing never seen before in NJ, for not only bottom species, but for pelagics/sharks etc..

Like what the anglers in the Gulf experience around the oil rigs..

My opinion was based around the structure of the towers once installed of course, and the massive influx of life any large structure in the ocean typically provides... Right now, I am kind of in the middle.. I see exactly why the opponents of the wind farms are concerned about.. I have the same concerns and feel that the echo soundings ARE killing those whales.. No doubt in my mind... Also who knows whats happening to the sea life on bottom, that doesn't wash up on beaches.. Might be utter destruction down there for all we know... Still, once up, I feel those towers will provide spectacular fishing, IF anglers have proper access.. Lately, I am not sure what to think, but for now, just surveying is killing a lot of marine life.... bob

Some species will thrive on the structure .

More than likely will put the last nail in the coffin for fluke.
Fish close to the bottom have been found to entirely avoid the areas of the transmission lines .

Being its Nj , we may not ever be allowed to fish them .
During construction they have set a 5 year secure zone .
The extra distance to go around these fields to head out to mid shore and off shore grounds look to be a PIA .
But worst part is They are going in what currently are the best fishing areas we have .
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[Capt Sal]

Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel

If a "radical environmentalist agenda" even exists, it most likely doesn't include dead whales and other destroyed sea life, regardless of whatever cause or causes are assigned to the recent whale deaths by Big Oil & Tucker Carlson. Most environmental groups are supportive of scientific investigation, not profit-driven industry gaslighting, and have found no evidence that offshore wind turbine surveying & construction are nearly as harmful to marine life as similar activities related to offshore drilling. Let's give rationality a chance, not have another "Jewish space laser" moment while global climate change continues to make our planet increasingly less habitable.

Your post should be taken down. Thank God we don't have more like you.

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

All those things don’t make the new green stuff better .
And as far as all this electric generation goes . I don’t need to read articles .
I have built it in every phase and style .
We have built billions of dollars of CUP , generation stations, cogens, solar fields etc .
Solar and offshore wind are two of the worst .
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I've built chemistry labs & executive suites for pharmaceutical companies in PA & NJ, and came no closer to being a research chemist by building the chem labs than I did by providing offices & conference rooms for execs. Reciting and exaggerating the negatives in green energy production without sufficient context does not present a clear picture of what we're doing to our planet and the relative merits of various efforts to slow or stop it. Reading objective scientific literature would undoubtedly help.

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by Capt Sal

Your post should be taken down. Thank God we don't have more like you.

Thanks for sharing, Capt Sal. That was really fact-filled...

[bulletbob]

Originally Posted by hammer4reel

Some species will thrive on the structure .

More than likely will put the last nail in the coffin for fluke.
Fish close to the bottom have been found to entirely avoid the areas of the transmission lines .

Being its Nj , we may not ever be allowed to fish them .
During construction they have set a 5 year secure zone .
The extra distance to go around these fields to head out to mid shore and off shore grounds look to be a PIA .
But worst part is They are going in what currently are the best fishing areas we have .
.

I am not well versed enough to dispute, or agree with your claims.. I base my opinion on what has happened up at Block Island thus far... Fishing for bottom fish has been really good up there close to the towers.. They catch fluke there as well, not sure how close they get to the actual transmission lines.. Still an awful lot of unknowns.. A LOT depends on how much access is allowed.. If none, then its nothing short of tragic for NY Bight fishermen.. i guess we'll find out soon enough.... bob

[reelfitter]

Research what it costs to build one of these wind turbines! The cost far exceeds the return. They're find that out now. They're a total GREEN joke.

[Gumada]

Offshore wind turbines are only profitable as long as the subsidies last. That’s a proven fact ! Once the subsidies run out they will be abandoned and left to rust and fall into the sea where they will become an ecological disaster and require tax payer funding to clean up (superfund sites). In the mean time, while they research and plot where and how they will be built they will kill untold amounts of marine creatures. The wind industry has permits from NOAA to kill up to 400 marine mammals during the projects on the east coast. That tells anyone with common sense that they KNOW they will be killing marine mammals and so does the government. It’s all a money grab, right out of our pockets.

NOAA declared an unusual mortality event for marine mammals in 2016 along the east coast which is ongoing. Guess what year they started the offshore wind projects.....

[Duffman]

Originally Posted by bulletbob

. Fishing for bottom fish has been really good up there close to the towers..

How do you know this?

[bulletbob]

Originally Posted by Duffman

How do you know this?

Mostly reading reports online, watching videos etc... Unless the guys catching the fish and posting the videos were lying for some reason.. However, they did get real close to the structures, and were catching a lot of fish.. Several videos online and on youtube, and some info in archived reports from the area.. I am NOT a first hand eyewitness, but everyone on this forum believes the reports and videos posted here without being an eyewitness.. I don't see why anyone would report falsely, plus they were right close to those giant yellow supports, and showed themselves getting ever closer to the windmills on the way out... bob

[Blind Squirrel]

Originally Posted by reelfitter

Research what it costs to build one of these wind turbines! The cost far exceeds the return. They're find that out now. They're a total GREEN joke.

Research the ROI of one of those wind turbines! Government tax credits for new construction expire after 10 years, while fossil fuel subsidies continue indefinitely.