Big Jamaica fiasco

[Gerry Zagorski]

The initial post was taken down because it was turning into a circus.

TD feel free to assert your concerns here again on this post and Tony, feel free to address them as well.

All others, if you weren't there then let the people who were sort this out.

[Capt Joe]

Was a circus when it started, Gerry, shouldnt have taken 18 hours to be taken down!

[jwstand]

Originally Posted by Capt Joe

Was a circus when it started, Gerry, shouldnt have taken 18 hours to be taken down!

Could not disgree more. Censor the A$$hole$ not the information. I am a big J2 fan, but this forum is to provide information to the fishing community that utilizes it and supports, hopefully, the sponsors. Agree or disagree postitive and negative reports apply. If people take it to an inappropriate level censor them, do not enforce the penalty to everyone else who may actually gather what they deem to be valuable information from a forum post.

Capt Joe - you are well spoken and outspoken. Take the opportunity to set the record straight about the post and those on the site who value the honest input of the capt. will know what rings the truest.

Removal of the post only enforces the notion that negative posts will be pulled if it affects someone in the "club". Not implying, in any way, that to be true, but the perception is difficult to overide, as perception is reality to many.

[CaptTB]

Originally Posted by jwstand

Could not disgree more. Censor the A$$hole$ not the information. I am a big J2 fan, but this forum is to provide information to the fishing community that utilizes it and supports, hopefully, the sponsors. Agree or disagree postitive and negative reports apply. If people take it to an inappropriate level censor them, do not enforce the penalty to everyone else who may actually gather what they deem to be valuable information from a forum post.

Capt Joe - you are well spoken and outspoken. Take the opportunity to set the record straight about the post and those on the site who value the honest input of the capt. will know what rings the truest.

Removal of the post only enforces the notion that negative posts will be pulled if it affects someone in the "club". Not implying, in any way, that to be true, but the perception is difficult to overide, as perception is reality to many.

Were I or someone else from the boat able to reply early on I would agree (and have never shied away from posting my own opinions for sure!) but this was a flat out lie from minute one. Not 60 people on board, not 58 people, NOT EVEN A FULL TRIP OF 55!! (let alone "closer to 100" like was LIED about in the original thread) Only FIFTY people on a FIFTY FIVE PERSON TRIP and this guy just keeps on lying and the haters pile on throughout the thread. The best thing was take it down. If I had been around today I could have nipped this in the bud much earlier (could have called Howard on the single side-band early today like I did and asked for the count but did not know this thread existed)

The truth is now known and there are people on board who post here that can confirm that there were only FIFTY people on the boat. This was a joke with wild assumptions, people jumping on a topic (which would be fine if it were true) without actually knowing what was going on.

Thank you Gerry for doing the right thing and allowing us to start from a position of FACT and not unfounded accusations that prove to be 100% FALSE.

[Capt. Debbie]

Capt Tom's response should have been put at the top of the thread.

Problem is who ever shouts the loudest, sometimes is believed for only that reason.

I'm not a big fan of censoring, but a person can spend all day responding to crack pots and know-nothings (who weren't even there) adding to it. But that's the nature of a blog. The more people involved the more diverse and sometimes wrong it gets.

Gerry can't pick through each message in a thread to determine if wildly exagerated, flat out lies, or honest truth. Or just clean house- GONE!

JUST REMEMBER- don't believe everything you read.

The Internet is full of phonies, posseurs, whackos, and liars mixed in with the "normal" ones.

Originally Posted by CaptTB

Were I or someone else from the boat able to reply early on I would agree (and have never shied away from posting my own opinions for sure!) but this was a flat out lie from minute one. Not 60 people on board, not 58 people, NOT EVEN A FULL TRIP OF 55!! (let alone "closer to 100" like was LIED about in the original thread) Only FIFTY people on a FIFTY FIVE PERSON TRIP and this guy just keeps on lying and the haters pile on throughout the thread. The best thing was take it down. If I had been around today I could have nipped this in the bud much earlier (could have called Howard on the single side-band early today like I did and asked for the count but did not know this thread existed)

The truth is now known and there are people on board who post here that can confirm that there were only FIFTY people on the boat. This was a joke with wild assumptions, people jumping on a topic (which would be fine if it were true) without actually knowing what was going on.

Thank you Gerry for doing the right thing and allowing us to start from a position of FACT and not unfounded accusations that prove to be 100% FALSE.

[bigjamaica]

Originally Posted by Capt. Frank

Capt Tom's response should have been put at the top of the thread.

Problem is who ever shouts the loudest, sometimes is believed for only that reason.

I'm not a big fan of censoring, but a person can spend all day responding to crack pots and know-nothings (who weren't even there) adding to it. But that's the nature of a blog. The more people involved the more diverse and sometimes wrong it gets.

Gerry can't pick through each message in a thread to determine if wildly exagerated, flat out lies, or honest truth. Or just clean house- GONE!

JUST REMEMBER- don't believe everything you read.

The Internet is full of phonies, posseurs, whackos, and liars mixed in with the "normal" ones.

Capt. Frank:
In my previous post I said that was all I had to say but, when I returned home last night my son asked me if I saw the post on here.
I did not, because it was already taken down. He asked me how many people I "really" had on the boat (he should know better).
I asked him how many do you think I had? He answered, "well, when I read the thread, I thought because the other boat canceled, all of his people showed up and you took them giving you 72 people".
I told him no, only one passenger from the other boat came out with us and we didn't have 100 people, or even 72. We do not take that many (although I would like to).
Sometimes it's just like that commercial on TV where people believe if it's on the internet it has to be true. "That really is a French model you are talking to".
I always try to do my best for our customers, and they know it. I do not consider satying out later, or going a little further to catch fish, "going the extra mile" but something I owe them. If there is a problem (there are not very many) They should talk to me. If they are not satisfied with my response, then vote the way most americans do, with their pocket book.
Don't go crying on the internet until you at least give the person in charge a chance to address your issue.

[Joey Dah Fish]

I will say one last thing being a business owner myself. You can't please all the people all of the time. But it seems to me with a packed boat they are pleasing most of the people most of the time. That's good business and he won't lose my fare for one post.

[TDaly25]

Wow,

Gerry just posts that we should continue the discussion here and now my post gets pulled?

Money talks.

Good thing the thread only had 4,000 views so no one will know what goes on lol

[jwstand]

Originally Posted by TDaly25

Wow,

Gerry just posts that we should continue the discussion here and now my post gets pulled?

Money talks.

Good thing the thread only had 4,000 views so no one will know what goes on lol

My second point played out here. Do not know the full drama, I gave up on the post early this morning, but the perspective of those who read now is tainted.

Capt Joe - perfectly stated... BS is BS those who read the Capt's post can not make a judgement. I for one have my faith in the owner and his crew, no benefit to lying about it...too easy to get called out. Thanks for the info, I for one appreciate it.... The truth is always the truth and F*(* the idiots who choose to blur reality with only partial facts. The fact he never bothered to communicate with the crew is his perogative, to not do so and express and opinion jaded with half truths is a totally different critter!

Thanks for all you do Capt. Joe!

[Gerry Zagorski]

The truth talks TD.... Are you still asserting there were " closer to 100 people on board". If so then either you can't count or you are accusing Tony Bogan of lying. Pick one and state your case with facts.

As far as people smoking in the cabin including the crew, if this was the case, I would assume Howard and Tony want to know about this sort of stuff and address it.

Let's stick to the facts here.