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Opportunities for Public Comment
Just wanted to let people know that there are 2 very important issues right now that have public comment deadlines approaching
1) The ASMFC is asking for comments concerning their Setting Recreational Measures addendum. The way they manage recreational fisheries now has a sunset provision of 12/25. If no action is taken, ASMFC will revert back to the way they managed prior to 2022. Attatched is a youtube link that ASMFC produced to describe the options. Adam Nowalsky is very deeply involved in this and is a proponent of option C. Deadline for public comment is 2/15/25 https://youtu.be/37qmtbxlw74 https://asmfc.org/files/PublicInput/...nt_Dec2024.pdf 2)NJDEP is putting forward a proposal that would grant them more power concerning public access to our shore. This would give DEP the authority to restrict/prohibit access to areas considered as critical habitat not only to endangered species, but also to threatened or possibly threatened species. Several of the areas included not just shoreline access, but up to 300yds into the water. The Non Game and Endangered Species Council worked wit DEP on this, but refused to include the Marine Fisheries Council in a stakeholder meeting Below find the document and the instructions on how to comment Deadline 2/13/25 https://dep.nj.gov/njfw/wildlife/reg...otection-rule/ |
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Thanx ! Several of the areas included not just shoreline access, but up to 300yds into the water. How can they enforce this with 127 miles of coastline ?
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Thanks for posting this Pat... A lot of information in the links and videos some of which I'm sure other simple minded people like me don't fully understand.
Off the top of my head, any of the proposed fishery management options is better then reverting back to the the old way of doing it since they did not seem to help the fish or the fishermen... It would however be great to get more information on why Adam thinks C is the better option. Comments due by 2/15 to comments@ASMFC.org As far as the NJDEP expanding their authority to further restrict public access to sensitive areas for endangered wild life like birds and turtles. I get that but seems to me we here in NJ are already crippled by lack of public access for both fishing and recreational activities so not sure I would support that unless the public had some input on the areas that would be considered. Comments due by 2/13 can be submitted here https://dep.nj.gov/rules/rule-comment-form/
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Gerry Zagorski <>< Founder/Owner of NJFishing.com since 1997 Proud Supporter of Heroes on the Water NJFishing@aol.com Obsession 28 Carolina Classic Sandy Hook Area Last edited by Gerry Zagorski; 01-25-2025 at 09:42 AM.. |
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A bit more clarification on why option C is being supported by NJDEP, the NJ Marine Fisheries Council and our state representatives in the ASMFC. There's a lot more involved but these are the cliff notes and my basic understanding after talking to Dr Pat (pddmd in this thread) who is on our states Marine Fisheries Council.
As mentioned above, reverting back to the old option is not a good choice because it wasn't doing anything for the fish or the fishermen. It also caused sea saw regulations that were subject to change ever year and there was hardly any weight given to stock assessment data. It also condensed the time line for information to be digested, public comments and decisions to be made. Other options like C allows us to put in place a 2 year plan so we don't have sea saw regulations from year to year and it takes into account stock assessments which is a much better measurement of the health of a fishery. The old system which if we were to do nothing, would be put back in place and in general was more focused on quotas vs assumed catch data like MRIP if we were assumed to catch more then our quota we'd be penalized in the following years regulations. We all know the MRIP data can not be trusted and the health of a fishery is better measured by the stock status. Where C differs from the rest of the plans is it would allow more liberalization and relaxed regulations for fisheries that have been rebuilt. Perfect example here is Sea Bass which has exceeded the rebuild target for several years now but the regulations have not been relaxed. Options D and E have some nuclear options that would allow fishery management to take more unilateral emergency actions like closing down fisheries completely... Further they are based on Catch rather then Harvest like AB and C.. Catch means any fish legal size or not that are landed are measured, Harvest means the only fish retained are measured and I assume some mortality rates applied for released fish... The fear with a catch based system is you may loose the flexibility to trade longer seasons for larger legal fish or visa versa, which gives the states more flexibility. I'd be interested in other opinions but those are the state and council recommendations and Dr Pat said he'd be monitoring this thread if anyone needs more clarification or had questions.
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Gerry Zagorski <>< Founder/Owner of NJFishing.com since 1997 Proud Supporter of Heroes on the Water NJFishing@aol.com Obsession 28 Carolina Classic Sandy Hook Area Last edited by Gerry Zagorski; 01-25-2025 at 09:17 AM.. |
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How about they actually get a format to get a better accounting of what’s actually going on with the fisheries .
MRIP data has been found to be totally unreliable . Using bad info in any of the management plans isn’t going to help any of the fisheries . Bad management of our fisheries has caused a huge demise of MANY valuable resources. Until better methods of actual accounting is done it’s all BULLSHIT . .
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For those of you who are new to this, MRIP is the Marine Recreational Information Program and it's basically an attempt to quantify what we recreationals catch based on surveys either emailed or done in person when you get back into the dock. Since they cant possibly survey everyone, some assumptions are applied to a limited amount survey data to estimate the total catch. What could possibly go wrong here Commercial catch is a lot easier to measure since their catches are weighed and there are observes and other checks and balances to insure the integrity of what's being submitted... It's not perfect either but suffices to say, it's more accurate then MRIP.
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Gerry Zagorski <>< Founder/Owner of NJFishing.com since 1997 Proud Supporter of Heroes on the Water NJFishing@aol.com Obsession 28 Carolina Classic Sandy Hook Area Last edited by Gerry Zagorski; 01-24-2025 at 05:26 PM.. |
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Let’s play this out like I've seen first hand in places like Washington State and California with seals. Your have a boat on your own dock or in a public marina and the seals decide to take up residency there.... They close the area with barriers and you now have no access to your boat or the dock. You try and get near those seals to persuade them to go elsewhere and the DEP shows up and arrests you..
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Gerry Zagorski <>< Founder/Owner of NJFishing.com since 1997 Proud Supporter of Heroes on the Water NJFishing@aol.com Obsession 28 Carolina Classic Sandy Hook Area Last edited by Gerry Zagorski; 01-25-2025 at 10:40 PM.. |
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Funny story along the same lines... Every year for her birthday I'd take my daughter out with her girlfriends for a day out on the boat. On this one particular day it was flat calm so I decided to take them out to the tip of the hook and anchor up near the beach.. A few of them decided to swim to shore and walk around on the beach. BIG MISTAKE since that section of beach was closed for Pipping Plover nesting which I get. What I didn't get is why they'd drive three 6000 pound SUVs up to two 100 pounds girls to warn them they were in volition of disturbing the Plovers. You can't make this shit up
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Gerry Zagorski <>< Founder/Owner of NJFishing.com since 1997 Proud Supporter of Heroes on the Water NJFishing@aol.com Obsession 28 Carolina Classic Sandy Hook Area Last edited by Gerry Zagorski; 01-26-2025 at 04:49 PM.. |
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Gunnison Beach. Lol 😆
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