Braid strength question

[stevelikes2fish]

Not sure if this is the right place here, but, need help or opinions. Recently purchased some braid that I found online. A 30# and a 40# spool.I decided to test both strengths.
First, I peeled off approx. 3' of the 30# braid. I then placed a loop on both ends. Then I put the line through the loop around the handle and put a bucket on a calibrated floor scale and started filling it with weight. I placed my gloved hand through the other loop to lift the bucket of weight. When the bucket reached 18 pounds, the line snapped, right in the middle, not at the knots. I performed this test 3 more times for a total of 4 times. Each time the line broke right in the middle.
Next, I performed the same test using the 40# braid. Exact procedure. And each time the line broke in the exact same place, right at 22 pounds.
I have been e-mailing the manufacturer back and forth while receiving his emails stating that their lines are tested on machines which cost thousands of dollars and that my test is very inaccurate and even called a back yard test.
My question here, not being a professional or owning any professional testing machines, is my test considered a basic means of testing the line, or am I doing something wrong. I would appreciate all responses. I'm not looking to mock the manufacturer and I know about all the quality premium lines as I normally use JB or Momoi. All I'm looking for here is weather my test would be considered a good, simple way of testing the strength.
Thanks

[mike1010]

It sounds like a reasonable test to me, and for the line to break at essentially half its rated strength doesn't seem acceptable. Would the manufacturer say that having a fish break off is just a back yard test, not comparable to what is done in their lab?

Finally, what brand of line is it? You're not smearing anyone, just reporting your experience while leaving room for the manufacturer to step up.

[Capt. Lou]

Originally Posted by stevelikes2fish

Not sure if this is the right place here, but, need help or opinions. Recently purchased some braid that I found online. A 30# and a 40# spool.I decided to test both strengths.
First, I peeled off approx. 3' of the 30# braid. I then placed a loop on both ends. Then I put the line through the loop around the handle and put a bucket on a calibrated floor scale and started filling it with weight. I placed my gloved hand through the other loop to lift the bucket of weight. When the bucket reached 18 pounds, the line snapped, right in the middle, not at the knots. I performed this test 3 more times for a total of 4 times. Each time the line broke right in the middle.
Next, I performed the same test using the 40# braid. Exact procedure. And each time the line broke in the exact same place, right at 22 pounds.
I have been e-mailing the manufacturer back and forth while receiving his emails stating that their lines are tested on machines which cost thousands of dollars and that my test is very inaccurate and even called a back yard test.


My question here, not being a professional or owning any professional testing machines, is my test considered a basic means of testing the line, or am I doing something wrong. I would appreciate all responses. I'm not looking to mock the manufacturer and I know about all the quality premium lines as I normally use JB or Momoi. All I'm looking for here is weather my test would be considered a good, simple way of testing the strength.


Thanks

To counter there doubts,test a couple on monos and compare results ! If they break prematurely then ur method could induce more hang time or pressure onl
Line prior to break than a other scale methods ! Every braid I ever tested usually tested over by a bit
I usually do my on steady pull very accurate drag scale .

[frugalfisherman]

A lot depends on how you place the weights in the bucket. Dropping one in could produce enough torque to produce the added poundage.

[MattAdelfio]

When you placed the weight in the bucket, did you place it while the bucket was suspended or while it was on the floor? If you did it while it was suspended there are other factors to take into account that would make the line snap at a lower pound test than it is advertised.

[stevelikes2fish]

I had the weights placed in the bucket while it was on the floor and slowly lifted. I started out with 30 pounds, and worked my way down, removing 1 pound at a time. Using the 30# braid, I was able to lift 17#, but not 18#.
Same test using the 40#. Was able to lift 21#, but not 22#. This morning I tested the brass pull scale with my drag scale. Hooked them back to back with one end looped around the railing of my steps. The other end I used my hand to pull the scales. Each scale has a plastic slider on it to indicate the weight. I slowly pulled the scales until I was able to read the drag scale at 18 pounds. I slowly released it and took notice of the brass scale. Slider stopped at exactly 18 pound. Both scales matched pound for pound. The manufacturer has sent me a video showing the testing of the line.
Tomorrow I am going to make my own video of the procedure I described above and send it to them. Two possibilities exist. One being I got a bad spool of line(even thought both 30 & 40 broke at about the halfway mark), and two, the manufacturer is just plain full of s**t.
I'll see if they offer me my money back, as they already offered to send me 2 new spools. At this point it's not even about the money, as it is my "backyard testing procedure" as they described it, being as good if not better than their several thousand dollar strength testing machine.

I just performed an identical test using two made in the USA braids. First one was from a spool of Diamond Braid Generation 2 Technology 30# braid, color orange. Loops on both ends using double overhand knots. The line broke right at 30 pounds. Next, I performed the same test using the same brand only in 65# test, color blue, which I use on all of my tog and cod set-ups. The scale, which by the way is a Manley 2012 brass fishing scale with a tell tale ring is rated at 50#. Same loop procedure, pulled until I buried the scale. I was un-able to break the line and didn't want to damage it so I stopped. Tomorrow I will perform a test a work with the 65# braid using calibrated weights consisting of 5, 10, 25 & 50 pound weights and report back here.

As I told them in my original email, I'm not in a position to professionally test a line, however, being a 1st class machinist, a black seal boiler operator along with being the maintenance administrator where I work, one would assume I have more than enough knowledge and know how to put something to test to prove to myself that a product performs near, above or below it's specifications.......we shall see.

[lennysky]

It seems that the mystery brand of braid you tested originally is of interior quality. If you announce which one it is, at least 1000 people will stay away. If you post a video, the brand likely to close its doors for good. But it's your choice. Good testing buddy.

[MrAC1980]

Hey Steve, the only time I've heard of this is the cheap China imitation PP stuff off ebay. Sounds like you have valid tests to me! But yes you could do the similar test with mono like Lou said to prove your point. Go get um!

[stevelikes2fish]

Originally Posted by MrAC1980

Hey Steve, the only time I've heard of this is the cheap China imitation PP stuff off ebay. Sounds like you have valid tests to me! But yes you could do the similar test with mono like Lou said to prove your point. Go get um!

Thanks, yeah I bought it for a few reasons. I kind of figured it wouldn't be good but then again I wasn't planning on using it for tog. Was just going to spool up some abu's for bottom fishing. I really liked the different colors they offered. But, I did expect to be stronger than at least half it advertised strength. The thing that's really got me bother is is not the money I spent, which was cheap to begin with. It's the fact that I performed the test I described above and I have the manufacturer telling me that my back yard test is no way to test their line. Yet, using the same test yesterday, I tested my diamond braid and it broke right at the listed strength.
Anyway, they want to send me 2 more spools. Not sure if I even want to bother dealing with them anymore. I know my test were as accurate if not within ounces of whatever type of expensive machine they are using. Was a real learning experience. Thanks for all your imput everyone.............
Tightlines

[Chrisper4694]

Maybe this is a dumb question but how in the world can a brand new line not frayed at all break on the main line rather than at a loop knot?