Who was surveyed for their fluke catch? - NJFishing.com Your Best Online Source for Fishing Information in New Jersey

Angler Paul · #1 12-23-2013, 04:59 PM

The MRIP survey currently shows that NJ over fished its fluke quota for 2013.
This is despite the fact that there was far less participation in the fishery this year due to the effects of Hurricane Sandy. I am trying to find flaws in how the survey was conducted with hope that we might be able to have their numbers revised. The survey is supposed to be random. However, I have one friend who was surveyed numerous times at the same dock, around the same time and on the same day of the week. He usually came in from fishing a little before the surveyors showed up. He and his crew are experienced fishermen who frequently caught their limits. Further, rather than surveying other boats that were at the same dock, the surveyors would go right to my friend’s boat as they saw them on the dock filleting fish. Taking surveys like this certainly skewed their data. If this happened to my friend, I am sure it happened to others at various locations as well. If you were surveyed in a manner similar to this or are aware of other flaws in the way the survey was conducted please PM me and/or write a response to this thread.

Thanks,
Paul Haertel – JCAA President Elect

RussA · #2 12-23-2013, 05:30 PM

Well that's easy... They were made up.

This game that you guys are playing is getting old.

Everyone is trying to help and well intentioned, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

It really is simple to say Thanks for your opinion fisheries people but mind your own ****ing business.

I feel better thanks!

Gerry Zagorski · #3 12-23-2013, 05:44 PM

I was surveyed once at the dock but it was Striper season then.

Fish Stix · #4 12-23-2013, 05:53 PM

All the numbers are made up. They watch allllll these internet sites and add whatever % needed to crush the quota. I hope I can get a job at a fast food joint, cuz by the time I'm 35 there will be no fishing!

tuna john · #5 12-23-2013, 06:38 PM

never surveyed, maybe set up a poll? would be pretty hard to dispute the results

Sharkyispy · #6 12-23-2013, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Angler Paul

The MRIP survey currently shows that NJ over fished its fluke quota for 2013.
This is despite the fact that there was far less participation in the fishery this year due to the effects of Hurricane Sandy. I am trying to find flaws in how the survey was conducted with hope that we might be able to have their numbers revised. The survey is supposed to be random. However, I have one friend who was surveyed numerous times at the same dock, around the same time and on the same day of the week. He usually came in from fishing a little before the surveyors showed up. He and his crew are experienced fishermen who frequently caught their limits. Further, rather than surveying other boats that were at the same dock, the surveyors would go right to my friend’s boat as they saw them on the dock filleting fish. Taking surveys like this certainly skewed their data. If this happened to my friend, I am sure it happened to others at various locations as well. If you were surveyed in a manner similar to this or are aware of other flaws in the way the survey was conducted please PM me and/or write a response to this thread.

Thanks,
Paul Haertel – JCAA President Elect

Paul, never saw one survey taker polling anyone this year. I fish frequently and from several different areas but do fish one port more than another and never took one. I had even asked some this summer if anyone had seen surveys taken when I was not there, the answer for all was never. When and where were these surveys taken? Would love to see that information disclosed too to validate the findings.....

Gerry Zagorski · #7 12-23-2013, 07:03 PM

Do we think maybe they go to places and events where Fluke are caught like tournaments and get many at once and use that as the "average day"?

This would make sense for them... One place easy pickings and there work is done.

Have any of you that fished the Fluke Tournaments this year seen them??

If so and they use that as a typical catch this could scew the numbers big time.

Could it be they also show up on a Sat or Sun at a target rich environment like a Party Boat and use those numbers and make assumptions based on that?

dales529 · #8 12-23-2013, 07:54 PM

My personal Opinion and only that. I think we all know that the science is flawed. Who remembers the older "clipboard data" where they would approach one boat or Capt with fish ask what they caught, how many times a week they fish and then multiply that catch by all the boats in the marina per week.

The saltwater registry was actually an attempt to survey actual fishermen and we fought it , we failed, they failed, so the story goes.

The science is flawed, the fight is on. It needs All of us via ALL groups to stay together. All the draconian regulation / speculation at this point for 2014 is just that. Many unanswered issues its early in the game, being worked on and there is not any regulation or options yet.

Paul important data Thanks for your efforts

tjd24 · #9 12-23-2013, 09:10 PM

Never since the Saltwater registration was imposed.

Fishin Dude · #10 12-23-2013, 09:51 PM

Never spoke to anyone on this. I did get surveyed via letter, then phone call, in reference to my catches under my HMS permit, but that's another issue.

Back to Fluke:

When there was an 18" size limit on Fluke, we were able to keep 8 fish. Those who did not fish rough stuff or big bucktails with a nice tempting strip in secret locations, welcomed a 17 1/2' size limit for a reduction in bag limit. Now, the government wants it back up to 18", but f*%# us on the bag limit. It was common knowledge at the time that we WOULD NEVER GET THOSE FISH BACK, well, welcome to reality guys. Speak up now!