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Old 09-24-2014, 02:32 PM
dakota560
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Default Re: This is horrible - 22 yr old killed by bear in West Milford

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Originally Posted by EJS View Post
Dakota, there is Bear Spray, however NJ weapons laws prevent people from any real defence based on the regulations in 2C:39-6i.

The problem is for the quantity needed in bear spray, recommended minimum 6 seconds @ 2%-concentration in a 30' fog pattern, you need a minimum od 10oz canister! Thanks NJ for making worthless laws that only handicap the law abiding citizen!

I have seen Grizzly and black bear in the wild while hiking and fishing. its a scarey proposition. But these Students shouldn't have been in the woods that day! Carrying snacks, then running from a bear.... it takes a special kind of stupid!

Killing on mass as a by product of an industries fishing practices is not the same as killing 1 bear in self defense. How you came up with that comparrison I don't know!

Effective game managment is the answer to the problem. All these "save the bear" protests only bring us closer to bear mauling or killing #2. NJ needs to open up new hunting grounds, trap & relocate bears to less dense geographic areas, and increase tag #'s for the season.
EJS.

My response regarding what happened to the shark population was in response to Bunker Dunker's post "Where are the tree huggers now!!!!! I want one of them to go to that poor guys family and explain how cute and lovable bears are." You can see what is implied by that post and where it's headed which is kill them all. The stereotype sharks received after jaws was the only good shark is a dead shark and anyone who disagrees with that has spent no time on the water. Granted there is a world wide demand harvesting them for food BUT how many shark tournaments after Jaws was released were any species goes and every shark that was caught was dragged back to the scales, weighed and then dragged back out to sea, stomach slit and dumped. Can't tell you how many 700 - 800 lb tiger sharks in the 70's and 80's I've seen killed for the possibility of a tournament check or even worse just bragging rights back at the docks only to have the fish dumped afterwards and be completely wasted. It was an absolute disgrace what was being done to such a great resource. It's horrible what happened and it's taken probably 25 years for conservation and public opinion to change. And that's with a tremendous amount of effort by conservation minded organizations trying to save another species from making it's way onto the endangered species list. My comparison to Jaws is the stereotype the movie created and the pressure it put on all shark species is what will happen with one person tragically being killed. Last night on the news they reported the last time someone was killed in New Jersey by a bear was I believe 1850 so the fact that someone was killed over a period exceeding 150 years I guess that means that the state needs to have a massive bear hunt to reduce the resource. As a blanket statement, that's absolutely idiotic! Never proclaimed to be a bear expert and know very little about them so whoever accused me of taking that position not sure where you're getting your facts from. I've seen too many instances where the answer is always just kill the wildlife. The report last night also mentioned there were over 400 fatalities stemming from automobile accidents in New Jersey last year so I guess we need to eliminate cars in the state as well. And someone from DMV should go to every person's funeral and explain to the family how safe automobile's are!

I'm not against management programs to address situations that warrant management. When any animal poses a specific threat to people I agree they unfortunately need to be removed whatever way necessary. My point is "Where are all the tree huggers now, why doesn't one of them go to the funeral of this guy!" Wtf is the point of that comment! It makes absolutely no sense but implies we should just kill all the bears in the state and people who care about the natural resources are at fault for this guys death. Same stereotype the movie Jaws created. A person is killed by a shark, a movie in this case, and before you know it public sentiment is kill ALL sharks. That's an absolutely moronic statement to make or conclusion to draw. One person is killed in a matter of 150 years by walking into the woods with food and we should have an open season on the entire bear population or it's the tree hugger's fault.....please refrain from talking as you might continue embarrassing yourself Absolutely idiotic comment to make! That's the equivalent of saying if a person gets murdered in Newark, we should eradicate all residents of Newark because they're all dangerous. One person is killed in 150 years and the answer is to obliterate the resource.......that is a very logical perspective!!! As I said, I guess the same is true for auto accidents. We should ban all cars from driving on Rt 80 because it's simply not safe.

Broad generalizations directed towards specific problems very rarely work and they are a sign off a person with a limited IQ. Go ahead and take your shots, I actually take pride being insulted or challenged by someone who hasn't a clue. It actually reaffirms my beliefs.

Dakota

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