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Lido-Gambler 09-18-2022 12:02 PM

Last Chance Before they Take Away Our Freedom AGAIN!!
 
Comment period extended to 10/31

The Gambler is vehemently opposed to the idea of further speed restrictions on the Atlantic because of the extremely slight chance of striking a right whale. In this day and age I guess whales are more important than people and their livelihoods.

After years of dictating where and when we can sail to provide entertainment for our customers through fisheries management, they are now in the process of creating rules to govern how fast we can go at sea. NOAA is engaged in an all new and fresh “Save the Whales” initiative, which in their own words, and according to their own data would cause a 25.6% loss in revenues for passenger carrying vessels, with no plan to compensate any effected business for an estimated 46 million dollars in losses. These losses will devastate local business, not to mention slow the delivery of cargo and commercial goods into our ports.

We ask that you assist us in providing public comment and feedback to NOAA before the September 30th deadline.

To leave a public comment they make it much harder to access. You must go this page https://www.regulations.gov/and search for NOAA-NMFS-2022-0022

Once located scroll down to the proposed rule.

Chris

Gerry here. I wanted to provide a update

Here is a direct link to submit comments https://www.regulations.gov/commento...2022-0022-0005 they are due by 9/30

The people I know that are close to this think this is going to get pushed through and will happen. Two things we can do when we write comments is to suggest that they
1) Extend their decision
2) Separate recreational fishing vessels from commercial shipping boats since recreational boats are more maneuverable and can avoid strikes. Recreation rules should be something sensible along the lines of a 25 knot daytime speed limit from sunrise to sunset, must have a look out standing by with operator. Sunset to daybreak it goes back to 10 knots.

Capt. Debbie 09-18-2022 03:55 PM

Re: Last Chance Before they Take Away Our Freedom AGAIN!!
 
The rule is ludicrous. But how are they going to enforce it?

hammer4reel 09-18-2022 04:02 PM

Re: Last Chance Before they Take Away Our Freedom AGAIN!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt. Frank (Post 571993)
The rule is ludicrous. But how are they going to enforce it?


Current administration will hire another 69000 agents and buy 11,500 boats to patrol around the clock .
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Or demand every boat is fitted with AIS .


32-34’ boats going to be triple in price .

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bulletbob 09-18-2022 05:35 PM

Re: Last Chance Before they Take Away Our Freedom AGAIN!!
 
I have no numbers in front of me, I am NOT an expert or even learned in this area, but I would bet money, a lot of it, on the assumption that for every Right Whale, [or any other large whale] that is killed by a "speeding boat" 100 or MORE are killed by entanglement in commercial fishing gear.. THAT is what kills sea life of all kinds... Want to reduce whale mortality??. Get rid of the damn nets, thats where the death resides.... bob

togzilla 09-18-2022 07:15 PM

Re: Last Chance Before they Take Away Our Freedom AGAIN!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bulletbob (Post 571996)
I have no numbers in front of me, I am NOT an expert or even learned in this area, but I would bet money, a lot of it, on the assumption that for every Right Whale, [or any other large whale] that is killed by a "speeding boat" 100 or MORE are killed by entanglement in commercial fishing gear.. THAT is what kills sea life of all kinds... Want to reduce whale mortality??. Get rid of the damn nets, thats where the death resides.... bob

Spot On!!!!! But this is not about facts or science, this is about money and politics. Commercial guys have the money to buy the politicians off from the ultimate intent of govt. control and to get rid of the recreational fisherman. If they mandate AIS then they won't even need boats to enforce the laws and will be able to track every boat from the internet and mail out fines from a cushy desk.
From a previous post, the link below provides assumed Right Whale deaths but any of the deaths from unknown reasons I'm willing to bet is from entanglement in commercial nets. Doesn't matter because this is not about common sense or saving the right whales.
https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/natio...ortality-event

Meat Hunter 09-18-2022 07:32 PM

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It has nothing to do with whales. Period. Wake up!!! Each Blue State Governor appoints to the NMFS. Even PA. It's about getting rid of recreational boating, just look what's going down in California.

It's the Governors that need the pressure put on them.


Meat Hunter

Keyport Sea Hawk 09-18-2022 08:14 PM

Re: Last Chance Before they Take Away Our Freedom AGAIN!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Meat Hunter (Post 572000)
It has nothing to do with whales. Period. Wake up!!! Each Blue State Governor appoints to the NMFS. Even PA. It's about getting rid of recreational boating, just look what's going down in California.

It's the Governors that need the pressure put on them.


Meat Hunter

well spoken

togzilla 09-18-2022 08:38 PM

Re: Last Chance Before they Take Away Our Freedom AGAIN!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lido-Gambler (Post 571988)
The Gambler is vehemently opposed to the idea of further speed restrictions on the Atlantic because of the extremely slight chance of striking a right whale. In this day and age I guess whales are more important than people and their livelihoods.

After years of dictating where and when we can sail to provide entertainment for our customers through fisheries management, they are now in the process of creating rules to govern how fast we can go at sea. NOAA is engaged in an all new and fresh “Save the Whales” initiative, which in their own words, and according to their own data would cause a 25.6% loss in revenues for passenger carrying vessels, with no plan to compensate any effected business for an estimated 46 million dollars in losses. These losses will devastate local business, not to mention slow the delivery of cargo and commercial goods into our ports.

We ask that you assist us in providing public comment and feedback to NOAA before the September 30th deadline.

To leave a public comment they make it much harder to access. You must go this page https://www.regulations.gov/and search for NOAA-NMFS-2022-0022

Once located scroll down to the proposed rule.

Chris

I submitted a comment on NOAA but let's see if they post it on their website. Currently being reviewed but I would be surprised if they posted it as it is not politically correct

Bluefish 09-19-2022 08:11 AM

Re: Last Chance Before they Take Away Our Freedom AGAIN!!
 
how many boats/ships of any size have hit whales in the area between ;sandy hook to Cape May and Rockaway Jetty To Montauk Point , I dont recall reading about any.

Skolmann 09-19-2022 09:58 AM

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First 5 comments I read were all in favor of this (stopped after that). Unfrocking believable.


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