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NJ219bands 08-05-2017 03:04 PM

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7/29/2017 I caught and released a 26" 6.5 lb channel catfish in the tidal Delaware River with my homemade corn meal bait.

AndyS 08-05-2017 03:34 PM

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So you keep the carp but throw back the tasty Channel Catfish ?

tycomps 08-05-2017 05:44 PM

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2lb test? :D

NJ219bands 08-06-2017 02:46 PM

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So you keep the carp but throw back the tasty Channel Catfish ?

Yes, I keep the carp because they are a non-native invasive species and released carp are impossible to catch again. I released a 10 lb channel catfish in the Millstone River a few years ago. I hope to catch it again and win a NJ Skillful Angler Award.

NJ219bands 08-06-2017 02:49 PM

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2lb test? :D

12 lb test. I only use 2 lb test for ultralight jigging when the carp aren't biting and usually catch small panfish. Occasionally I hook a big fish on a 1/32 oz jig on 2 lb test line.

thmyorke1 08-06-2017 07:21 PM

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Yes, I keep the carp because they are a non-native invasive species and released carp are impossible to catch again. I released a 10 lb channel catfish in the Millstone River a few years ago. I hope to catch it again and win a NJ Skillful Angler Award.

That's good thinking. Good luck with that channel cat, that would make quite the story

23cardinal 08-06-2017 10:53 PM

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Yes, I keep the carp because they are a non-native invasive species and released carp are impossible to catch again. I released a 10 lb channel catfish in the Millstone River a few years ago. I hope to catch it again and win a NJ Skillful Angler Award.

I'm not gonna lie only carp fished once and then got one by accident two years ago(slob, on my ultralight catching crappie) why would released carp be impossible to catch again? I know English carp fishing they only catch and release.
Do u eat them? I don't know carp so I'm very curious

saxmatt 08-07-2017 01:14 AM

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I'm not gonna lie only carp fished once and then got one by accident two years ago(slob, on my ultralight catching crappie) why would released carp be impossible to catch again? I know English carp fishing they only catch and release.
Do u eat them? I don't know carp so I'm very curious

You can recapture the same carp, he's just not a great carp fisherman. Btw, they're not invasive. They are an introduced non native species in NJ, just like largemouth bass, brown and rainbow trout, musky, pike, walleye etc...

Eskimo 08-07-2017 09:39 AM

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Nice channel cat.

I have to question the assumption a released carp become uncatchable. In Europe in certain pay-lakes, they catch-and-release the same carps over-and-over again. The operation wouldn't work if they couldn't be caught again.


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NJ219bands 08-08-2017 02:29 PM

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Nice channel cat.

I have to question the assumption a released carp become uncatchable. In Europe in certain pay-lakes, they catch-and-release the same carps over-and-over again. The operation wouldn't work if they couldn't be caught again.


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I read on the Internet that the guy who caught the biggest carp in England donated it to the Royal Aquarium. Whenever he would feed it, the carp would never eat the bait that he caught it on. I made > 140 NJ fresh water fishing trips in crowded public fishing areas and didn't see anybody catch a carp yet this year.

saxmatt 08-08-2017 02:43 PM

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I've recaptured dozens of carp using the same bait, some 2 days in a row. You'll never recapture one because you're part of the bucket brigade and keep every carp you catch. It's impossible to recapture a fish if you are killing everything.

thmyorke1 08-08-2017 04:33 PM

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I've recaptured dozens of carp using the same bait, some 2 days in a row. You'll never recapture one because you're part of the bucket brigade and keep every carp you catch. It's impossible to recapture a fish if you are killing everything.

This goes back to when NJbands said there was a shortage of carp and everybody agreed that was an odd statement.

There's no reason to call someone out on keeping carp. They're virtually everywhere.

There's some truth in that a carp caught before will be a bit more finnicky next time. That's with any fish really; they wise up the more they are caught.

NJ219bands 08-09-2017 02:22 PM

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I've recaptured dozens of carp using the same bait, some 2 days in a row. You'll never recapture one because you're part of the bucket brigade and keep every carp you catch. It's impossible to recapture a fish if you are killing everything.

I don't kill everything, only carp because they are a nonnative invasive species that Fish and Game Departments never stock and kill and remove them when lakes are drained. I know many people that eat carp. Giving them away is better than having them buried in landfills. I tagged and released > 7,800 fish in NJ since 1985. Every year I release thousands of fish in NJ. If you really believe that you are a great carper, show me a pic of a Carnegie Lake carp that you caught. I talked to many outstanding European carpers that never could catch a Carnegie Lake carp.

saxmatt 08-09-2017 04:49 PM

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My fishing partner Attila fished next to you a few years back and caught 16, you got skunked. You were yelling at him to keep them. The next day he showed up and you were in the spot he baited. He set up where you were and again caught a bunch of carp and you blanked. Unfortunately I haven't heard of a big fish out of there because you and others have been keeping them for years. I don't mind if you keep a few but pulling out 25+ fish a day like I've seen you do and keeping hundreds a year really kills a spot. Luckily there a lot of spots you don't know about.

Riz 08-09-2017 04:51 PM

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nice catch.

I do believe that carp are a pretty "smart" fish. fishing for them in the saddle river and Passaic rivers they could get elusive. now I really haven't dedicated day to going carping in a while but they run a long way almost like a bonefish and I may dare to say one of the most under rated fish going. I had one get foul hooked on a rattle trap this year in pompton and as much as I knew it wasn't a bass, and believe me I wished it was :), it was fun. the ones in monksville look like submarines .

saxmatt 08-09-2017 05:00 PM

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NJ fish and game is making a big mistake by treating carp the way they do. I know a bunch of carp anglers who refuse to buy licenses because of it. Carp fishing is a multi billion dollar industry in Europe and there are $50,000 tournaments in NY and CT. CT fish and game is going to make some trophy carp waters with a maximum size limit and no bowfishing to protect trophy carp. Between the tournament, trophy waters, and tackle shops carrying carp tackle the state and local shops in CT are making a lot of money annually from carp fisherman. Connecticut also allows you to catch and release state records if you have a certified scale. Maybe someday NJ fish and game will smarten up but for now not many carp fisherman spend money in the state. They are missing out.

thmyorke1 08-09-2017 09:25 PM

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NJ fish and game is making a big mistake by treating carp the way they do. I know a bunch of carp anglers who refuse to buy licenses because of it. Carp fishing is a multi billion dollar industry in Europe and there are $50,000 tournaments in NY and CT. CT fish and game is going to make some trophy carp waters with a maximum size limit and no bowfishing to protect trophy carp. Between the tournament, trophy waters, and tackle shops carrying carp tackle the state and local shops in CT are making a lot of money annually from carp fisherman. Connecticut also allows you to catch and release state records if you have a certified scale. Maybe someday NJ fish and game will smarten up but for now not many carp fisherman spend money in the state. They are missing out.

The fact that NJ doesn't list carp as a kill-on-catch fish and not invasive is tolerant enough. Reasonable to believe that they don't list them as invasive because people target them.

What can nj do to make their carp fishery better? It seems like youre upset that there aren't as many giant sized carp as there should be. Wouldn't a creel limit not fix that problem since the giant carp will be the ones only harvestable?

saxmatt 08-09-2017 10:32 PM

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I'd like a 32" length maximum and reduce the limit to 6. I can't see even a big family needing more than 6 5-20lb carp for a good meal. The big carp bully out the small carp when food is around. When you take them out you see a boom in pupulation. With no competition from big fish a place can become over run with small fish. I've seen this happen with bass, carp, panfish, pike...you name it. When you protect the bigger fish and cull the smaller ones you tend to have less fish but a bigger average size. Just look at park ponds vs bigger harder to fish lakes. The park ponds have tons of small fish, but the bigger lakes like Hopatcong are ruled by predators, and everything in there is big. When you have more big carp there is a better balance, plus baby carp are an excellent forage fish for bass, trout, walley, pike etc.

thmyorke1 08-09-2017 10:44 PM

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I'd like a 32" length maximum and reduce the limit to 6. I can't see even a big family needing more than 6 5-20lb carp for a good meal. The big carp bully out the small carp when food is around. When you take them out you see a boom in pupulation. With no competition from big fish a place can become over run with small fish. I've seen this happen with bass, carp, panfish, pike...you name it. When you protect the bigger fish and cull the smaller ones you tend to have less fish but a bigger average size. Just look at park ponds vs bigger harder to fish lakes. The park ponds have tons of small fish, but the bigger lakes like Hopatcong are ruled by predators, and everything in there is big. When you have more big carp there is a better balance, plus baby carp are an excellent forage fish for bass, trout, walley, pike etc.

A maximum length wouldn't be a bad idea but so could it be in every fish species. Is there a reason why nj in freshwater doesn't utilize the rule? My guess is that it's less fair to not let people keep trophy fish.

Heronimo42 08-10-2017 07:17 AM

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There are tons of carp, big and small, still in Carnegie. I don't think NJBands is decimating the carp population in that lake. I can't comment on his fishing ability, but I have seen him catch some nice sized carp.

saxmatt 08-10-2017 09:45 AM

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He's the one complaining the fishing at Carnegie has gone down hill. I know people who have put in some time there and I've never heard of a big carp come out of there, as he biggest I've seen was 23lbs. Most are around 10lbs. All I'm saying is don't blame the bad fishing on the fish getting too smart to catch when you are keeping hundreds a year.

Heronimo42 08-10-2017 02:45 PM

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I think the major fishkill a couple of years ago along with a ton of runoff chemicals flowing into Carnegie is hurting the fish population. They also need to dredge it again soon as it's getting too shallow.

NJ219bands 08-12-2017 02:46 PM

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He's the one complaining the fishing at Carnegie has gone down hill. I know people who have put in some time there and I've never heard of a big carp come out of there, as he biggest I've seen was 23lbs. Most are around 10lbs. All I'm saying is don't blame the bad fishing on the fish getting too smart to catch when you are keeping hundreds a year.

Almost all of your statements about me are untrue. I only caught 58 common carp this year. I never saw anybody catch more than one carp in Carnegie Lake while I was there. Check the bowfishing section of //www.njhunter.com. 4 guys kill 100 carp per night in my Delaware River fishing spot. I only caught one carp there the past 3 years because the bowfishermen killed and removed thousands of carp from there the past few years. I only have 3 carp fishing spots and 2 of them were no good this year. You should take up bowfishing for carp.

saxmatt 08-12-2017 03:11 PM

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My buddy saw you a few years ago. I showed him a picture of you and he said, "yup, that's the guy." You might not have seen him catch all 16, but that's how many he caught that day. I don't get it, you keep all the carp then complain that the fishing isn't good anymore.


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